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jsaylor

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« on: October 23, 2006, 12:47:18 PM »
Hi,
I set an email to Alembic yesterday, but never got a response today so I decided to post here. I plan on buying an ERB soon so I want to compare companies. So does alembic make ERB's?
 
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« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2006, 01:10:53 PM »
They have and I'm sure they will in the future.
 
Check this 8 string.  
 
Here  is a bass they made for Trip Wamsley- 24 frets, but certainly extended range...
 
These are just two that came to mind, I'm sure they've made others.

jsaylor

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« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2006, 01:14:44 PM »
Wow, that must have cost a alot that they didn't display prices. Guess no Alembic for me.

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« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2006, 01:23:58 PM »
Hi Jordan,
 
You can order as many strings and frets as your music requires. Please contact Valentino by phone  or email with your specific questions. Our phone number is (707) 523-2611 and his email is valentino [at] alembic [dot] com

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« Reply #4 on: October 24, 2006, 07:20:32 PM »
Jordan, my 8-string Europa that Toby linked you to is indescribably fantastic.  It has the same range that a 7-string with a 3 octave/36 fret neck has -5/12 octaves.
 
It was/is expensive, but it also has QUITE a long list of pretty elaborate custom features that significantly increased the price... custom stereo electronics with 3 separate jacks and bass, mid, treble, and filter controls and variable Q functions for each pickup, along with LEDs, LOTs of ebony in the neck, some pretty fancy custom woodworking, and several other features.
 
Alembics are the best, period.  And they're not known for being cheap (in any sense).  But if you had Alembic made you an extended range bass with otherwise basic stock features, it probably wouldn't be too bad.
 
If you just had them build you say, a Europa or Rogue with a standard wood top (several choices for no extra cost) and stock electronics, it wouldn't be terribly bad.
 
No one will build you a better bass.  They'll do it just the way you like.  And the standard price quote for any neck-thru model includes a half dozen or so wood choices for the top, different wood choices for the body, and no charge for you own individualized fingerboard dimensions (for most non-extreme options).
 
If you have any questions for me, feel free to ask.  I have some meaningful perspective and experience in this area that may be of help to you.
 
I'm actually getting ready to order my second custom in the next year.  It will also be another extended range bass... a 6-string with 29 frets (same range as a 7-string with 24 frets).
 
It will be a smaller & lighter complement to 8-strings of power.  I'm actually currently soliciting opinions from others about it in another thread.
 
Again, if I may be of service to you, let me know.  I can tell you from experience that they are most capable of building an EXCEPTIONAL extended range bass.  You would be most pleased.
 
Take care, Mark.

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« Reply #5 on: October 25, 2006, 04:32:49 AM »
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« Reply #6 on: October 25, 2006, 06:52:54 AM »
Hey, Mark, your COTM feature just says custom electronics with 3 jacks and there's no FTC on it - would you mind giving details?  What are the functions of the different jacks?  Are the b/m/t master or per p/up?  Are they switches or CV?  How about a close-up pic? (Just because I don't play bass and have no money doesn't mean I'm not plotting a custom in my head.....)(And just how big are your hands to play that monster?  I have trouble reaching on my son's 34 4-string.)
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« Reply #7 on: October 25, 2006, 08:10:23 AM »
Peter, if you go into introductions and open up the Archive through November 9th and open the thread allow me to formally introduce myself you can see a close up of my basses' controls.
 
There are 16 controls, 8 knobs and 8 toggle switches.  The controls are set up in a symetrical set-up, with the exception of 2 toggle controls.
 
The 2 center knobs are master volume and balance.  The balance is a unique custom stereo balance control.  The center jack is standard, and then each pickup has it's own jack -for individual processing.  I can use them in any combination, although logic sez to use either the center or the other two.
 
To either side of the balance and volume are filter knobs, and then again, to either side are bass and treble knobs.  So each pickup has bass, treble, and filter knobs.
 
Then, to either side of the upper center volume knob are 2 sets of toggles (for each pickup) between the volume and treble knobs.  One switch is a 3 position Q (4/8/12) and the other switch is a 3 position control switch which decides between: filter off (turning the filter won't affect the sound), filter on with 0 db Q, filter on with Q -4/8/12 db depending on the position of the Q switch.
 
The remaining 4 toggles on the lower level between the center balance and the bass controls on either side are: a mid-range boost/cut quick tone change controls (one for each pickup, they work just like the controls on a Europa or Rogue), and then, next to the balance on one side is a 3 position power control.  Center position is off, up is on, down is alternate battery AND LEDs on.  The final 3 position toggle is a custom stereo switch.  In the center position, each pickup has it's own set of 6 tone controls (bass, mid, treble, filter, Q, control switch).  If I flick the stereo switch to one side or the other, it assigns that pickups tone controls to become MASTER tone controls for BOTH pickups.
 
I can use this to choose whether to have individual tone controls for each pickup -for more detailed processing- or to have the simplicity of a mono bass with only 1 set of tone controls for each pickup.  I can also use the switch as an instant radical tone change, that allows me to store 1 tone control setting on one of my pickups set of tone controls, use the other pickups controls for a different tone effect, and then just select or come back to the other tone with the simple flick of a switch.  It's pretty cool.
 
Gotta go to work, but I had just enough time to answer you questions -and thanks again for your help and opinions answering mine!

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« Reply #8 on: October 25, 2006, 11:12:19 AM »
Thanks, Mark - and Wow!  That's amazing.  It's also very close to what I had thought of, should I win the lottery, but figured wouldn't fit.  But, as I was thinking a mere 8 knobs and 7 switches, I'm reassured.  Now if someone would put in a kind word with Ed McMahon.......
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« Reply #9 on: October 25, 2006, 12:26:53 PM »
Hi Mark,
Im sure Alembic does make good basses, but over prices for sure. I don't have 10,000 to drop into a bass, especially when I can get a bass of similar quality for substationally less.

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« Reply #10 on: October 25, 2006, 12:41:04 PM »
Jordon,
For now you should look into Conklin Groove tools or a used guitar on ebay. Until you actually hear an Alembic and try one for yourself, you will never understand the difference in build quality and sound. They are miles above the rest. If you cannot afford the very best you will need to compromise your sound. Some people accept this, others won't. This is your decision alone. The members in this club are dedicated Alembic fans who know the difference. Price is no object for them in obtaining their sound.

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« Reply #11 on: October 25, 2006, 01:13:59 PM »
Actually, if you begin to add up the labor alone for the time spent building these things (Alembic basses and guitars), they should cost more than they do...
 
John

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« Reply #12 on: October 25, 2006, 02:52:06 PM »
Keurosix,
 
As an Alembic owner, let me tell you that price really IS an object. I managed to buy my first - a brand new Epic - when the Dutch guilder/US dollar ratio was heavily in my favour (1994). My second, a 2nd hand Spoiler, was before the recent rise in 2nd hand prices. As much as I would like to order one to my personal specs, I can't afford one that I would like to have built for me.

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« Reply #13 on: October 25, 2006, 03:41:30 PM »
Hi Kris,
Sound is rather more of an opinon peference. Naturally Alembic owners will perfer them to basses such as Conklins or Roscoes, but saying one is better than the other is an opinion. As for Groove tools, I don't think in making cheap stuff overseas is right. I can see if you have the money you would by an Alembic, but spending that much on a bass is crazy in my opinion, especially if its a knock off thunderbird or explorer. Thanks for answering the questions. Im out of here.

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« Reply #14 on: October 25, 2006, 05:23:52 PM »
Knock off ?
 
What-chew-talkin' 'bout Willis?