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« Reply #30 on: January 06, 2009, 09:16:25 AM »
I've never given a dime of mine to either the Dead or Phish. OK, I lied. I bought an early Phish CD. However, there is no denying the genius and talent that runs amok in both outfits. I appreciate GD for the fact that they were in the forefront of opening the door for rock improvisation, something of which I am very fond of particpating in. What I don't understand is the cult like devotion they inspire in their followers. I remember during the '80's working with guys who would save up all their vacation time to follow the Dead on a leg of their tour going to as many shows as they could. Perhaps it was envy. What musician wouldn't want their fans that enthusiatic?
 
From my own obscure observation point, I don't believe that Phish were looking to take up the mantle from the Dead but that it was thrust upon them. Again who wouldn't want that?
 
I am a great fan of The Who. Bassist of the millenium and a master of the art in Pete Townshend and all that. I didn't save up my vacation time just to follow them around the Northeast but I went to the show when they came around. After JAE snuffed it, the shows just weren't the same and I have not gone to the last few Who shows since, even though PT is one of my rock gods. And I can only imagine that the Dead is just not the same without JG. I have no doubt that the current incarnation will be entertaining and nobody will be demanding their money back. But just like seeing Pino in John's place (and Pino is a fine, fine player) it just didn't do it for me. Pino could not replace John and I am fairly certain Warren cannot replace Jerry....
 
It's a good thing we all don't like the same things as there would be a very long line at the door! Vive l'difference!
 
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« Reply #31 on: January 06, 2009, 09:28:05 AM »
CNN interview with Phil Lesh today:
 
Phil Lesh is on the phone.  
 
I wish I could say I once quit my job to follow the Grateful Dead in my VW bus, I tell him. But honestly, I'm just not that cool.
 
The bass player chuckles. It's mostly trust-fund kids, he confides. They're the only ones who are able to do that.
 
(Message edited by adriaan on January 06, 2009)

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« Reply #32 on: January 06, 2009, 01:19:59 PM »
I'm not a fan of the jam-band genre. I've never been able to get past the 5 min intros and the endless noodling bores me to tears.  However, that's really not a deragotory comment against those bands.  I think it's more of a reflection of me as a marginal musician and the era in which I cut my musical teeth.  I've prefer my music in bite-sized chunks and I'm probably a poorer man for it!!!  But that's OK... even though we may have different musical tastes, we all LOVE those Alembics.

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« Reply #33 on: January 06, 2009, 02:28:16 PM »
Charles wrote:
 
quote:Just like watching a baseball game without knowing anything about the rules would be mind-numbingly boring
 
I know the rules, and baseball is still mind numbingly boring.  I'm a social baseballer-- I only go to games if the person I'm going with can hold up their end of the conversation for the interminable 15 hours it takes for the pitching duel to end.  E.g.: if Valentino invited, I'm going.
 
I don't really care for the dead, either (maybe some of their more pop songs), but they just don't seem to groove to me.
 
Same sign for Dave Matthews: I can respect the musicianship, but, as a friend put it, I spend the whole time 'waiting for them to rock out.'  It's like they are always stuck leading up to the actual jam.
 
Oh well, whatever.  No offense intended; I won't get offended if you don't like my stuff.

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« Reply #34 on: January 06, 2009, 06:54:02 PM »
No offense taken!  We're all different people with different life experiences and tastes in plenty of other things besides music, too.
 
Bradley, your waiting for them to rock out comment reminded me of a clip I saw last year.  I'm not a huge DMB fan but...  
 
Check it out in the new thread I started.
 
 
And, not to argue with Phil, but I knew plenty of poor kids on tour, too.  All it takes is initiative. I usually paid for mine with dresses I made (don't laugh...they sold) or selling imports for 3 bucks a pop, especially on Sundays in the South! :-)

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« Reply #35 on: January 06, 2009, 07:16:47 PM »
Well I hope this doesn't turn into a I'm not a Dead-Head thread, but I never got into the Dead either. For whatever reason, growing up in central NY I was never exposed to them. What little I did hear didn't do much for me. Over the years as I heard more, I could tell they were great musicians, and I like Phil's style. I live 15-minutes away from where their first show will be. I probably won't go, but I'm tempted. It would be nice if Greensboro starts attracting more good shows. There hasn't been very much in the few years I've lived here.  
 
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« Reply #36 on: January 06, 2009, 10:48:55 PM »
Alright, let's calm down with the Barry Sless thing. He's busy enough as it is and a tour with the Dead means that we'll never get any more time with him in Great American Taxi!
 
In all seriousness, he's a great player and a great guy. Lots of fun to play with. We just recorded an album due out in March and he's all over it.
 
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« Reply #37 on: January 07, 2009, 12:45:41 PM »
Edwin:  
 
By all means, let us know how we can get a copy! Barry is an awesome talent! I'm assuming that your bandmates and yourself are no slouches either!
 
All:  
 
Wow! What a galvanizing thread! I'm assuming Rasta just wanted to let those that care (as I did) that the Dead was again on tour. I had no idea there'd be all the I don't care for the Dead responses.  
 
I've learned to be very broad musically. As a young'n, I only wanted to listen to the Bay Area bands (and others) related/revolving around the Dead. Now, there isn't enough space to tell you the kinds of music and the performers of same that I like. It'd only take a small percentage of that to tell you those that I do not appreciate. I've been studying Jazz guitar for nearly 6yrs. now, and I listen to a lot of Jazz (guitar and non-guitar), but I still gravitate back to the stuff I've always cared for, like the Dead.
 
It's all good....enjoy what turns you on personally.
 
Cheers,
 
Kevin

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« Reply #38 on: January 07, 2009, 08:00:28 PM »
I have been on both sides of the fence concerning the Grateful Dead.  For many years, I was among those who just didn't get the whole GD thing,and I was a teenager in the 60's, so I had the opportunity to follow them from their very start.  
 
About three years ago I decided to take a second look and maybe understand what all the fuss was about, similar to the process Charles described in his post #505 above, but without access to the taper culture.  I came to appreciate, respect, and simply enjoy the GD and their music.  Above all, it became clear that the GD were a live performance band--this was where GD happened--not in a recording studio.  As Charles so accurately said, you can't just casually listen to some GD music and expect to understand what they were all about. True, GD were all about the music, but their music inspired people to a whole different way of looking at and relating to the world and those in it.  
 
The question, since Jerry Garcia passed, has been and still is: is there life after Jerry for The Dead, as they now call themselves.  My opinion--and I mean no disrespect whatsoever to the remaining band members--is no.  There are lots of famous bands which suffered the loss of founding and/or very significant members and
continued to make great music, enjoy success, and retain broad fan support (although it is
still never quite the same).  However, some bands, in my opinion, just don't fall into this category.  For example, can you truly imagine the Rolling Stones without Keith Richards, or the Beatles--if all were still alive and playing--without McCartney?  Similarly,at least for me, The Dead just doesn't work without Jerry.  Jerry was that intangible but essential element, that
must have factor, that undefinable it that was the heart and soul of everything Grateful Dead.  And, if you carefully analyze the interpersonal dynamics of the Grateful Dead, the fact is that each member of GD was linked much more to Jerry than to each other. That's not to say that they weren't all brothers, just that Jerry was the element common to each of them.  Kinda sorta like a married couple of 20 or 30 years who discover, after the kids are grown and gone, that they really don't relate to each other too well--it was the kids who tied them together.  
 
So, while each remaining GD member is a great musician in his own right (well, OK, there is the question of Bobby Weir--Bill tgo: LOL about your random-chords-searching-for-a-melody), collectively as The Dead they just don't seem to bring it.  I wish them well, but I'll pass on the upcoming tour.  Thanks for letting me rant!
 
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« Reply #39 on: January 08, 2009, 04:51:21 AM »
Eric: While I love - & second - Bill's description of Bobby's later writing, I will argue to my dying breath that he's an incredible player.  And as a great (if less personal) stand-in for the taper culture, try www.deadlists.com.  The overwhelming majority of their show available for streaming, & many for download.
 
Kevin: Of course there will be all the I don't care for the Dead posts.  It happens almost every time someone mentions the boys - this despite the fact that we 'heads don't make a habit of talking trash in threads about Stanley, or Mark King, or Markus Miller, or even Zepplin or Metallica.  For some reason The Greatest Rock'N'Roll Band In The History Of The Universe seems to be the only one that's fair game for those whose tastes lie elsewhere.  
 
Those who aren't Deadheads:  Thanks for not showing up  - the shows were a lot better before they started selling out arenas, and the audience changed from a mellow hippie gathering to a drunk, violent, rock crowd (more like you'd expect at......naw, I ain't gonna do it)
 
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« Reply #40 on: January 08, 2009, 05:24:27 AM »
Peter--thanks for the link.  I'll check it out!
 
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« Reply #41 on: January 08, 2009, 08:29:07 AM »
Well, Id say you either get what the dead were doing and were all about or you don't.  I love all the dynamic interplay that occurrs during the dead's jams, and I love hearing the various licks that they come up with as they play off each other.  
 
As for the dead w/out Jerry...totally different band, but still able (at times) to make some fine, interesting music.
 
I first became aware of the dead in the early 80's, up till than I was too young to go to shows.  At that time the audience wasnt full drunks, and you could still campout at the spectrum parking lot....fine times...

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« Reply #42 on: January 12, 2009, 10:47:06 PM »
ok folks  
heres the good news
tickets
$98 per for good seats
$68 per for not so good seats
tell me it isn't about the money........
i mean i shelled out 150 each for clapton and winwood- BUT... that was a different story imho
i bet they sell out-  
to hell with the economy honey, the dead are in town..... lmao-
take 2 sdbds and call me in the morning

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« Reply #43 on: January 13, 2009, 04:19:27 AM »
I just checked the prices myself....I was expecting maybe 50-60 bucks at the most...
 
at the spectrum in philly we dont even have a choice, all seats are $98.00...
holy crap!

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« Reply #44 on: January 13, 2009, 05:32:14 AM »
GD ticket prices -  
Garcia's gone, so are the low ticket prices.
I understand Jerry kept ticket prices as low as possible.