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« Reply #45 on: December 17, 2009, 08:02:49 PM »
Charles, thanks for that... Now I feel insignificant...!  
Some great stuff, including Bill's Mercedes!!  
Ok, enough with the smiling faces..
 
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« Reply #46 on: December 17, 2009, 08:08:10 PM »
Pierre, I don't know if I understood your post...  
Are you trying to say that the garages are nice, and that somehow the most fortunate ones are related to the misery of others?
Please explain properly.
 
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« Reply #47 on: December 18, 2009, 12:39:53 AM »
I explain ass I can with my english, not easy for me to write PROPERLY here. You have well understood, I spoke about this link:
http://www.luxury4play.com/
Pauldo, gleaners ? signifie mendiants ? yes we have a lot in Geneva until border is open now for people from east of Europe (Romania, Hungary etc.).It's not legal in Switzerland.
But it's not the problem what I spoke, properly I hope... I spoke about people in north Africa (I travel a lot in Morocco because my wife is from Marrakech, see my website http://www.batraciens-reptiles.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=995
and:
http://www.batraciens-reptiles.com/faune_maroc.htm
http://www.batraciens-reptiles.com/faune_ourika.htm
etc... and I saw all days in this country, poor people who search somme food in rubbish case (poubelles). I saw a lot of big car too as Touareg, Porshe ayenne !!! The contrast is for me difficult. The north african society is like that, really poor people or very rich people, without transition as in USA or Europe.

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« Reply #48 on: December 18, 2009, 07:04:10 AM »
Pierre:
 
So, you like reptiles?  I've been into reptiles since I started catching snakes in summer camp when I was a kid (or, more accurately, when I was a much younger kid than I am now!).  Currently, we have an African Leopard Tortoise (Fillmore) and an Australian Water Dragon (Norbert).  Though not a reptile, we also have a South American Lungfish (Luna), that's very cool.
 
Bill, tgo

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« Reply #49 on: December 18, 2009, 07:24:59 AM »
I'm always insecure to join some deeper discussions, since I can't express myself good in English. But sometimes we have to make a try, specially when I see good people trying to make good so awkward...
 
It looks like Pierre is just trying to be our social conciousness and we should be glad about that. As a socialist, myself, I'm glad that you are trying to show us all political implications on being wealthy. I solidarize with you on all that, but you must be aware to not behave like the guy who came to a dinner talking about the hunger in world.
 
Why operate on guilty?
 
It reminds me a Luis Bu?uel's movie (Via Lactea) where a priest is trying to stop children to laugh saying: How can you be happy if Jesus died in cross for you?!?... Wow, man, that's deep! I should commit suicide for feeling good with myself.
 
Pierre-Yves, remember that you're are not the only person here with that concerns. I must believe that all of our brothers here are sensible to social issues. But we're not here to push each others to scaffold. Is ease to tease any Alembic owner to feel bad about having a thousand dollars Bass, but what's the point?
 
How do you feel about having such Bass collection? How many people you could have saved with all this Series you have? I've had to wait 25 years to save enough money to buy a second hand Rogue... Should I see you as a bourgeois responsible for world's pain?
 
My parents were tortured because they were comunists and fought against reactionary dictatorship in Brazil and I've always got mad when met someone trying to makes me feel bad about having a car or banc account. I'm not wealthy at all, but in Brazil you are taken as rich just for having a 1000cc car or for having studied on good schools (in some places, you are enough fortunate just for being citzien). As professional musician I've been playing with people who came from slum and you almost have to excuse yourself just for not being poor (or black)... Sorry man, I don't get that bs.
 
May be it should be more pratical (to not say, polite) to start some threads about all that non-alembic related issues as global warming and famines around the world, instead of hijacking some other guy's thread. You could gather our simpathy and solidarity best. Do you wish to help people? Good! Make something and invite us to give a hand...  
 
But I can't see your political strategy (or wisdom) on getting in a forum like that spreading irony on your fellows. We can argue for days on how much each of us are responsible or related to other's misery... Or we can join ourselves to make some difference. Anyway, I don't think this particular thread is the right spot, don't you think?
 
We all support your concerns, but you could try to enhance the way you put it. Start some thread on this subject and I will try to take part. I suggest start with how today europe's wealth were built on slavery in americas or on exploring third world. Or how Switzerland suported illegal business around the world with your bank sistem... We should be concerned more on how the sistem works and not with each individual take part on that (well, we can, but this is not a true sollution). I can't think that I will solve problems pointing my finger upon someone who have a fancy car or feeding one single hungry person in the street. Making things that particular doesn't helps.
 
But, again, thanks for caring. This is what makes us human beings (just remember that we are, too).
Not just a bass, this is an Alembic!

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« Reply #50 on: December 18, 2009, 08:05:17 AM »
I agree with Mario. Although I have a very big opinion to show here, and plenty of things to say that may offend someone or not,I won't. In respect for this tread.  
 
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« Reply #51 on: December 18, 2009, 09:02:49 AM »
[At this time the moderator wishes to note that the posting guidelines suggest that, for reasons stated in the guidelines, there are other forums more suitable than the Alembic club for the discussion of politics.]

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« Reply #52 on: December 18, 2009, 09:19:53 AM »
You are my Hero Mario.
 
Thank you for you sharing your heart.

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« Reply #53 on: December 18, 2009, 09:48:58 AM »
You are right Dave, sorry.
Not just a bass, this is an Alembic!

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« Reply #54 on: December 18, 2009, 10:00:05 AM »
If you want a million dollar house, car, life style it's all here baby. I say enjoy it, -- it's here for the taking...  
 
I'll never believe in the pretext of suffering in this life, and be rewarded in heaven while the other guy have all the fun. My faith accept wealth and charity. As long as you are giving back, the Sun will continue to shine. Knowing how to catch fish, is more important than knowing how to add seasoning. You can't live on seasoning.
 
Peace and Love
 
 
 
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« Reply #55 on: December 18, 2009, 10:10:56 AM »
Hal.  A few posts up the moderator may have been a bit too subtle in his suggestion.  I think what he was trying to say was drop this line of discourse now.  Of course, I think he sometimes gets so subtle that it can be difficult to understand what he's getting at.

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« Reply #56 on: December 18, 2009, 10:25:50 AM »
Mario; no problem.  And thank you.

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« Reply #57 on: December 18, 2009, 10:25:55 AM »
Dave,
 
If this was a discussion on getting drunk and fancy whiskey, beer or regional places to buy blends cola's, you'll find nothing wrong right?
 
Mario made a touch-down and your striping his validation of what came from his heart. I am not sorry for bringing this action in to question.
 
I'll halt my comments with respect to this request.
 
Peace and Love -
 
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« Reply #58 on: December 18, 2009, 10:35:51 AM »
Is it possible to say my opinion ? I was not offens?, It was just my opinion.
Ok as said by mario, my english is too poor to explain properly for deep subject.
For the cars, It was just my opinion, not need to speak about this. Each time I said something, great earthquake here.
For Bill, here are my snakes:
http://www.batraciens-reptiles.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=1092
and
http://www.batraciens-reptiles.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=1101

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« Reply #59 on: December 18, 2009, 11:07:00 AM »
Hal; if I understand your question correctly, then yes, you're within the ballpark.  I do not consider discussions of the qualitative differences of aged whiskeys in a musicians forum populated largely by people who play in bar bands, to be the same as a political discussion.  And please note that I do spend considerable amounts of time every day on political issues; but not here.  I spend hours every day reading and participating in political discussions.  I frequently write to and call my Representative, Senators, and President about issues that I deeply care about, including two strongly worded letters to the President just yesterday.  But not here.  I have phone-banked, fund-raised, protested in the streets, and spent money I did not have to spend to try to effect political change in this country.  But not here.  For me personally, this place here is my refuge from politics.  I know from every day experience and participation how emotionally vehement political discussions can be, even among those who have closely similar views.  For me personally it can be extremely and deeply heart-achingly painful.  And knowing this fact so well, as moderator I do not want this place to be like the other site I spend so much time on.
 
This board has posting guidelines.  There are people here whom I like and respect a lot, whom I think of as valued members of this board, with whom I may have some or many political differences.  It seems evident to me that generally most of us here value our friendships here to the extent that we find these posting guidelines to be appropriate for this board.
 
It is certainly understandable that you are not sorry for bringing this action in to question.  But this board has posting guidelines, and the vast majority of the members here find it reasonable that these guidelines should be followed.  So if you want to bring any future actions to question, please do so by email.