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damonuk

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« on: January 07, 2006, 10:47:20 AM »
Hi all,
This is my forst post here, so hello all fellow Alembic owners and players.
I own the following Alembic:
1998 4 string Medium scale signature standard Mark King
> 3/4 standard body size
> flame maple top
> purpleheart laminate
> mahogany body
> ebony fretboard
> brass hardware
> perloid oval inlays
> polyurethane satin finish
> plastic backplate
> gold Alembic gotoh tuners
> completed 12/01/98
I'm sure this has probably been covered before so please forgive me if there are loads of other posts on this.
I'm really keen to upgrade my electronics to those of a Series II. 1. Is this possible? 2. Does anyone know how much is costs?
Any help gratefully received.
Best wishes from London.
DamonUK

bassicinstincts

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« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2006, 11:16:22 AM »
Hi Damon,
 
Biggest problem you're likely to have is the instrument thickness. I think the older instruments were all 1.8 thick. The Series components are physically taller I believe, hence a modern Series I or II is thicker than say, a Stanley or Mark jobbie.
 
I thought for a moment you'd purchased the MK Standard I've had my eye on at the Bass Gallery. Sounds similar, but I think the BG's bass is a full-sized body bass.
 
Ben

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« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2006, 02:08:09 PM »
Hi Damon; welcome to the group.  Ben is right, because of the body thickness, you can't upgrade a Mark King to Series electronics unless your bass was custom made specifically to have the thickness necessary for the upgrade.

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« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2006, 04:13:38 PM »
This has come up before; wouldn't it be possible to add a back laminate and give the body a 1.8 depth that way?

damonuk

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« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2006, 04:33:24 PM »
Hi Ben & Dave,
Thanks so much for getting back to me so quickly.
That's really disappointing. Is there really no way round it apart from the obvious and buying a Series II? I don?t even mind it my bass bulges a bit at the back.
Cheers
Damon

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« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2006, 07:01:06 PM »
Another big issue here is that Series basses have a chambered body. When the body wings are being assembled the center core section is mostly cut away (there must be pictures of this in the Factory-to-Customer section somewhere).  Since the top laminates are full thickness this isn't like an acoustic instrument at all, but it does mean that all the electronics are installed without much routing or channels being cut for wiring.  Modern Series basses have the pickup selector switch near the other controls, but old ones have it out on the lower cutaway which would be a serious retrofit challenge if the body were solid (on a guitar like a Les Paul, they route the channel for the pickup selector in the body before gluing on the top).
 
The costs for having this sort of a mod done in the factory would likely be pretty terrifying, as just the electronics set is over $2000, then you'd have to add extensive routing and refinishing on top of that.  
 
One less fiercesome alternative would perhaps see if you could get single coil Series-type pickups cast in the existing pickup shape you have and see if there's room to mount an unpotted hum canceller in the control cavity or another route.  You would pick up some of the Series tone with the pickup change but you wouldn't have the Q-filter tone controls, stereo out, external power, etc.  
 
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« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2006, 07:34:48 PM »
i had this situation before. i had a signature bass but wanted series tone. issues with body thickness and chambered body considered, i upgraded the bass with anniversary electronics. this was a very good solution. it didn't cost me a ton, and i felt it was the best i could get from that situation.
however, i sold that bass, and got a series II SOLIDBODY. yes it totaLLy sounds different than a regular series bass. i also had alembic make my bass with the older original thickness of 1.75.(newer series are about 1.5, i've talked about this with mica many a times)

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« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2006, 08:30:16 PM »
The quote generator says it is a $3900 upcharge on a signature bass when it is being made new.  I can't see that it could possibly cost any less than that after-market, and probably would cost more.  When you're making a custom order, there is probably some credit being given since the Signature electronics and AXY pickups aren't being installed.  Also, there would be routing involved for the hum-canceller, so that means taking some hardware off and probably some refinish work to seal the wood where the new pocket is made.  
 
The short answer is that you would do much better to find a 90's Series II bass for $4000-5000 and sell your MK for $2500-3000.
 
I just also read Jimmy Seitang's post and agree with his premise.  My bass (in construction) includes Fatboy pickups, dual volume controls and 3-position Q-switches.  Kind of like Anniversary electronics hard-wired for mono output with pickup and Q-switch upgrades.  My understanding and expectation is that these upgrades approach the Series tone but don't quite get there.

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« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2006, 09:15:47 PM »
my bass has anniversary electronics and I'd like to hear anyone's thoughst on the difference between those and series tone. how big a change is it?

damonuk

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« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2006, 02:52:23 AM »
Thanks Jimmy, David and bsee.
Maybe the answer is to seek a 90's series II as I really want to get that Mark King Alembic tone.
By the way - and forgive my ignorance - but what are the differences between the Signature, Anniversary and  Series IIelectronics apart from the extra Q-switches? I'm assumed there was a completely different board but I didn't realise the pick-pus were different as well?
Also, just found this amongst other threads.  
http://club.alembic.com/Images/411/2140.html?1060882938
So this bass is an example of a bass which had been made to be upgraded to Series II.
 
(Message edited by damonuk on January 08, 2006)

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« Reply #10 on: January 08, 2006, 05:20:20 AM »
Signatures and Anniversary basses have -like all other basses- huncancelling PU's. Beware: that is NOT humBUCKING but for that technical difference ...I know Mica wrote something baout it some time ago. There is however a fatboy PU who has a wider aperture for picking up signals. There are also different styles in PU's: the thinner ones and teh broader ones.
Series basses (I and II) are comming with SINGLE COIL PU's .
To compensate for the huge hum that such LARGE sibgle coils would give a dummy humcanceller is added between them or hidden under the bridge for older basses.
 
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« Reply #11 on: January 08, 2006, 01:18:33 PM »
Damon; if you haven't already, check out our section.  It won't answer all your questions, but it will provide hours of enjoyable reading!

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« Reply #12 on: January 09, 2006, 07:52:37 AM »
I own a 1993 Mark King Standard with medium, scale with the volume, pan, 2 x tone filters and 2x Q switches and I really cannot see why you would want to upgrade the circuits. I have nicknamed mine 'Dial A Bass' as I can get every concievable sound out of it..clanky Rickenbacker to muddy Gibson to funky Fender Jazz to country Fender Precision. I don't how long you have your bass but it took me 6 months of experimentation before I got used to it..it's not 'on & off' like passive basses. A slight turn of the tone filters is all that is needed but if needs are must...

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« Reply #13 on: January 09, 2006, 10:30:38 AM »
I'm slightly in agreement with terryc as I have a Stanley Clarke Deluxe and I can get pretty much all the bass sounds I like. However I'm happy that I haven't  really  managed to get an accurate reproduction of a  fender or any other bass sounds from it, I just like it to sound like an Alembic.
 
I agree withe the time it takes to get used to the filters. they are amazing and very sensitive. Of course a good amp helps.
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« Reply #14 on: January 09, 2006, 05:24:54 PM »
I have to agree with selling your bass and picking up a used Series bass. I think it would be the best thing if not the only thing to do. You will find the Series bass to do exactly what you want it to do. They are truly amazing instruments. So much so I am thinking of selling my two none series basses one of which is still being built. If anyone is looking for a 91 Essence with Europa electronics and wide apeture pickups or a six string Coco bolo balance K with anniversary electronics and 4 position bass and treble boost on each pickup, amber LED's, stereo, 5 pin connector etc etc contact me.
 
Rory