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olieoliver

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« Reply #60 on: May 08, 2007, 12:16:52 PM »
Using the calculator above, 2.30 US spent in 1976 would be 8.33 us today.
The federal minimum wage in the 1976 was 2.30 and today is 5.15 I believe.  
 
Doesn't seem prudent does it?!

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« Reply #61 on: May 08, 2007, 04:20:09 PM »
Jason,
 
I think you meant 13,000.

jason

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« Reply #62 on: May 08, 2007, 04:32:15 PM »
21,137 gdp per capita in 1972 inflation adjusted to 2003 dollars.
 
38,611 gdp per capita in 2003.
 
47 weeks of work to pay for an alembic in 1972, for the average American.
 
16 weeks of work to pay for a custom alembic for the average American today. 1/3rd the price of 1972, relative to buying power and inflation.
 
5 weeks for an average American to buy an average alembic. 1/9 the price in 1972, relative to buying power and inflation.
 
Should we get into the continual process of perfecting the craft? How perfect the finishes are that leave here now, relative to 1972? How the electronics have been refined to peak reliability and performance over 34 years?
 
The instruments made then were extraordinary and beautiful, but not one of them would pass my QA inspection today, at 1/9 the cost.  
 
That is the last word on Value.

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« Reply #63 on: May 08, 2007, 06:59:25 PM »
I'm not sure I follow your numbers there, Jason.  I can say that for someone like my mother who was a police dispatcher, the $20K or so that job paid in 1972 hasn't turned into $100K today, it's more like $40K.  If the salary for that average job has only just about doubled, in real numbers, then it couldn't be up as much as you suggest with inflation adjustments.  Bass prices would have to significantly decrease for it to be 1/9 the effective price for someone with her job.  
 
Let's say she could have bought a new Spoiler for $1K (if they were made in '72).  That would have been 1/20th of her annual salary.  At $3900 today, it would be about 1/10th of that same job's starting salary.  That's twice as many weeks to pay for it today than it was back then.
 
Not that it particularly matters...
 
As a side note, I agree that the woodworking and finish work on newer instruments seem much more impressive.  As far as the electronics go, that's less obvious to those of us outside the factory.  It appears that the offerings are the same as they were ten years ago.  Maybe a separate thread or a FAQ posting could discuss some of the history of component upgrades?  
 
-bob

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« Reply #64 on: May 11, 2007, 10:22:46 AM »
Interesting discussion here. I'll try to add my thoughts.
 
First, a playable instrument has a certain utility value that equals a certain amount of money. Then there is a collectable value on vintage and high end instruments. Then over and above that there is a luxury value on quality instruments built with nice woods, fancy construction, etc.  
 
Take an old Fender bass. By and large many hit recordings were made using a fender bass years ago. A lot of them sounded very good. In fact, without Fender, I doubt the rest of the bass market would have grown, including Alembic. That quality of sound would be it's utility value. Despite what you may think about a Fender, the bass does the job and does it well.
 
 Then there is the rarity of the instrument, plus it's iconic value, plus it's investment status. That is it's collectable value. Old Fenders rate very high, partly because they are recognizeable symbols (like a harley davidson).  
 
Then there is the luxury value. Although Alembic is crafted to a high luxury value compared to a Fender, old Fenders really are luxury items. Why else would anyone pay 6K for a 60's model when a new mexi jazz is so cheap and still sounds good?  
 
Also, I think many folks wanted a Fender bass years ago but could not afford one, which makes them also desireable for a generation looking to re-affirm their life via nostalgia items. Alembic was not known by and large back then, and was not in business in the fifties.
 
Alembics are icons of a generation to a few folks who recgonize them from a few groups who used them. I am always surprised at how many responses that any posting on this forum that mentions the Grateful Dead will get. Or the Who or Led Zepp. However, there were a lot of other groups out there making music back then.
 
I like the car analogy. For instance, I would eguate a old Fender P bass to a 65 Mustang rag top. The Alembic would equal a 70's Porsche mid range 911 to me. Old Mustangs convertibles are worth a ton of money, old 911's really aren't, despite being much more high performance. However, a driver wanting to go fast would still pick the 911 for it's utility value. They would pick the mustang (at this time) for it's collectable value. In terms of luxury, the 911 was more upscale, but the Mustang is very much a luxury item in terms of something that is not a necessity. Of course, the Mustang is an icon and a great investment.
 
Just my thoughts.  
Dave

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« Reply #65 on: May 11, 2007, 12:51:44 PM »
Good thought Dave,what do you think my old 1972 alembic would be worth?...

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« Reply #66 on: May 15, 2007, 12:14:07 PM »
Bob, you missed the 21,137 gdp per capita in 1972 inflation adjusted to 2003 dollars
 
Meaning the average person made around 4600.00 actual 1972 dollars.  
 
Meaning a $4000.00 instrument would take the average person 42 weeks of work to pay for.
 
We would have to sell instruments for 31 thousand dollars to match that today, instead, a series goes for less than half of that.

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« Reply #67 on: May 15, 2007, 08:21:35 PM »
i hope the powers dont read this
chrikee,.....
alembic announces 125% increase!
order now!
lmao

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« Reply #68 on: May 15, 2007, 10:15:25 PM »
Jason - I guess I just didn't/don't interpret it the same way that you do.  Your numbers don't line up with the facts I understand for the starting salary of a particular job with which I am familiar.  I'd say also that the street price of a new Spoiler was under $1000 in the mid 80s, again from personal experience.  
 
Don't misunderstand me, I'm not complaining about Alembic prices, I just don't think your numbers accurately portray the reality.  Maybe attending a recent town meeting where the board was playing with numbers to make a $4.5M land purchase at an average annual cost of about $300/household seem like it would save us money has made me sensitive to these sorts of semantics.

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« Reply #69 on: May 16, 2007, 04:30:50 PM »
an alembic instrument in the hand , is priceless, there are allway,s two in the bush..

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« Reply #70 on: May 16, 2007, 04:34:12 PM »
or , sorry, on ebay....

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« Reply #71 on: May 16, 2007, 09:06:58 PM »
God ... if they keep raising their prices I'll sell my SC in a few year and pay off my mortgage! ...lol The best basses in the world? Yes I think so! But a 125% increase? You have to be kidding!

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« Reply #72 on: May 17, 2007, 10:46:38 AM »
Keep whining and it will be 126%.
 
Now, get back to slave pens before I have the lionesses eat you all.

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« Reply #73 on: May 17, 2007, 10:55:21 AM »
I hope that's TIC!