Author Topic: Bag End vs. Eden (Read 618 times)

dnburgess · « **Reply #30 on:** October 28, 2007, 01:53:38 PM »

Edward - regarding Schroeder...

Very efficient and great powerhandling. They don't set out to be hifi (like say Acme or Accugroove).

I would tend to recommend them in rock settings or loud environments where their particular sonic signature gives them great cut through. But not the first choice where accuracy is the primary consideration.

oggydoggy · « **Reply #31 on:** October 28, 2007, 02:46:25 PM »

Seen some Acme stuff for sale too...Thoughts/players?

David Houck · « **Reply #32 on:** October 28, 2007, 04:24:42 PM »

Acme is significantly different. The Acme 2x10 has a really nice low end for a cabinet of its weight and size. I think the low end is nicer than the Eden and Bag End. But the high end is where the big difference is (to my ears). David Burgess above referred to the Acme as hifi, and people tend to refer to the Acme as being clean and uncolored. The Acme has no high end sizzle, where the Eden has lots of sizzle. That, to me, is why the Eden can cut through in a band situation. People that love Acme's, say that they like 'em because it's a truer, or again as David said, accurate representation of the signal coming in.

keurosix · « **Reply #33 on:** October 28, 2007, 08:15:29 PM »

Just my little 2 cents, but the Sizzle hi end - or lack of it - is just exactly what made me decide on the AccuGroove El Whappo cabinet over others. The tweeters are soft dome ferro fluid, and soud very natural, even when slapping very aggressively. Never harsh or biting, but yes they can cut through.
Kris

worldfamousandy · « **Reply #34 on:** October 28, 2007, 09:52:28 PM »

I gotta use this opportunity to say something good about the Schroeder. My neo 410 is very versatile. I fact, I use the same rig for upright as I do electric. Fantastic stuff.

Andy Calder
www.andycalderbass.com

benson_murrensun · « **Reply #35 on:** October 30, 2007, 11:05:08 AM »

I love those Acme Low B-2's. I am not a pro player, more like an intermediate level, but I am a gear head and have had a bunch of different cabinets over the years. I still have an SWR Son of Bertha, an SWR Bass Monitor 12, and a Workingman's 1 X 10. I have had an Ampeg SVT 15 and an SWR 4 X 8 (Li'l Henry??? - can't remember the cutesy name) among others. I think the Acmes sound better than any of those. Plus, they are fairly lightweight; and the guy who makes them, Andy Lewis, is accessible and accommodating. For instance, you can order them in 4- or 8-ohm configurations, or without midranges and tweeters if you just want to use them as a subwoofer. For a small box, these things can really make your bell-bottoms flap.

dtrice · « **Reply #36 on:** October 30, 2007, 12:03:11 PM »

I'm really jealous of your rig keith. It looks like your running the eden (I'm guessing a WT?) and a QSC. I thought that the WT provided its own power so why is the QSC neccessary? I'm just curious, because I'm thinking about changing my rig in the future.

bsee · « **Reply #37 on:** October 30, 2007, 12:56:58 PM »

That's a Navigator preamp, Daniel, not the WT series head. While most companies stuff their pres into a single space, Eden kept the full two space face to support all of their knobs and buttons.

keith_h · « **Reply #38 on:** October 30, 2007, 01:05:11 PM »

Daniel,
Thanks for the compliment no reason to be jealous though.

Yes it is an Eden you see in the rack however it is not a full amp. It is a WP-100 Navigator preamp. While I like the tone it can produce it is a lot of knobs to set. I have been toying with the idea going to an F1X. Before I decide I want to A/B the two on speakers similar to mine but I'm in no rush.

Keith

dtrice · « **Reply #39 on:** October 30, 2007, 01:20:19 PM »

I see. That explains it. I'm really thinking hard about going F2-B-->QSC-->Bag End, myself. Plus a few other extra toys in there.

jacko · « **Reply #40 on:** October 31, 2007, 05:50:06 AM »

keith
i had an F1X for a while at the same time as the Navigator. I found I could get all the same tones on the Nav as on the F1X and the options on the Nav were so much more comprehensive.I never use the enhance but it's nice to have onboard compression and the back panel options are second to none. One thing i couldn't do without is the Mute as I switch basses several times through the set. The only way to do this on the f1x (at Mica's suggestion) was to run the effects loop through my tuner and use a latching footswitch to disable the tuner output. In the end it was getting to be too much faff so I decided to stick with the navigator. In a simpler setup, i'd probably go with Ampeg's SVP as it gives a really nice agressive tone.

Graeme

kmh364 · « **Reply #41 on:** October 31, 2007, 11:27:26 AM »

Eden is for the budget conscious? At just under a grand for a D210XST 2x10 cab, I wouldn't exactly call that a budget item.

While I use 'em (two 4ohm Eden D210XST's), I'm sure there's better out there. What that better infers is up to the ears of the beholder. How much more that better costs, and whether it's worth the difference, is likewise.

bsee · « **Reply #42 on:** October 31, 2007, 12:53:22 PM »

Kevin-

Better isn't entirely about tone. It's also about construction, durability, weight, portability, etc. Some of that is subjective, and some objective.

For a guy that plays bar gigs a couple nights a week and has odd entry/exit situations, a compact cab loaded with neo speakers is better than an SVT-sized hi-fi full-range cab even if the tone doesn't quite match up.

smuprof · « **Reply #43 on:** November 01, 2007, 05:37:27 AM »

I've got to jump in here. I've posted before on my search for a killer 5 string rig that small and portable, and after a bunch of trying and testing and spec research, I landed on Eden's 210XST (different from XLT) - much better low end frequency response - and an Eden 300 hybrid head.

I too play regularly through a PA with ear monitors, but our praise band has been playing some gigs out lately, (and ocassionally we find a venue to play a little rock and roll), including outdoors and some large auditoriums. With two guitars, two keyboardists, four vocalists and a drummer and often a percussionist, I've never had the rig past halfway up (using my MK5).

Each time at least one band member has suggested its really loud (ie prominent) in the sound out front and I should trim it back. At the most recent classic rock gig outdoors, a friend and long-time bassist (played with Mel Torme, Frankie Avalon) listening in the audience was blown away by the sound of that little rig and couldn't stop commenting on the clarity, bottom, and fidelity.

One of our Dallas club members has Bag End, and I really seriously considered those, (and they are great), but they didn't meet my requirement for a single small cabinet and head (My Eden is 8 ohms, so I can easily add, if I ever needed it, a 15 or 18). But with the low end response from the Eden XST line, I haven't needed it yet. If I do, it would be more for volume than frequency response.

Really liked the Bag End's, but for my requirements for high performance, easy portability, the Eden amp and 210XST cabinet has been one of the most satisfying buys I've ever made.

PS - This thread is a classic example of what a tremendous community Alembic users are - no knocks, everyone can share an opinion and is open to others' ideas, lots of terrific information. You guys are great.

keith_h · « **Reply #44 on:** November 01, 2007, 07:47:39 AM »

Graeme,
Thanks for your thoughts. I really would miss the mute. I do use the enhance a fair amount as I prefer a scooped mid-range. This is why I really want to A/B them before I decide whether to buy an F1X.

Keith