Author Topic: Bag End vs. Eden (Read 617 times)

oggydoggy · « **on:** October 24, 2007, 02:58:14 PM »

My 410xlt(8ohm) blew....so I need to start building a new rig. I dig the eden cab, but have been toying with the idea of going for Bag End cabs. I have the chance to buy the Bag End D10BX-D which is a 2x10(4ohm) cab. Anyone have one of these or played through one? Wondering how it compares to the 410xlt Eden, I would buy other Bag Ends to match (i.e 15 or 18) or a 410...just looking for some info. Thanks-Ed

oggydoggy · « **Reply #1 on:** October 24, 2007, 03:03:45 PM »

I run a F1X through A Eden WT-1205...if it matters...

dela217 · « **Reply #2 on:** October 24, 2007, 03:09:22 PM »

Ed - I have owned both. My vote is Bag End. MUCH more musical to my ears. Also, the Bag End can take a bunch of power. I used the D10BX-D with about 1500 watts with no problems. I lost that setup in the Katrina flood, I hope to build that rig again someday.

F2B
Power Amp (the one I lost was a QSC RMX 1450)
Bag End D10BX-D

Michael

alembic_doctor · « **Reply #3 on:** October 24, 2007, 03:11:46 PM »

Well. If you like the sagging sound of the eden. you should go with it. They have a very unique sound once they get warmed up. The reason I say this is because they do not vent the voice coils on there drivers. This causes the voice coul to get hotter. The result is that the impedance goes way up and you have to really drive your amp to get the volume you are looking for. And then, sometimes, because you are driving your amp too much, it starts clipping on the outputs. Which sends a square wave to your speaker and over time wears it out until it blows.

Moral of the story: Whatever you get, make sure you have a big enough amp to drive it.

I personally never did like the Eden stuff because of that. But I LOVE Bag End.

And then of course you might just want to take into account that I have not played through an amplifier in two years because I go direct through the PA and wear in ear monitors.

So basically, I just wasted my time, your time and anyone elses time who is reading this right now.

GET BACK TO WORK!

unless you live on a different continent. Then you might just want to try some sleep.

oggydoggy · « **Reply #4 on:** October 24, 2007, 03:16:40 PM »

Michael,
I am looking for clean tone generation. Would you say the Bag End is smoother than the Eden? Thanks for the help. Have any 5-pins left?

dela217 · « **Reply #5 on:** October 24, 2007, 06:43:45 PM »

Smoother? Hmm.. Hard to say, because I am not sure what you are hearing in your mind. But as far as clean tone goes, I think the Bag End is quite clean. The coax tweeter is just incredible. The first time folks heard the Bag End set up I had, they compared the tone to a piano. But then again, I was playing my series II!! I find the Bag End cuts through a wall of guitars in a better way than the Eden stuff. Just my opinion though.

Once I get a little caught up, I will be saving for the pre/power/Bag End setup.

I have 4 cables left and they are all black.

Michael

bkbass · « **Reply #6 on:** October 24, 2007, 07:37:06 PM »

I own two 210xlt's and one 410xlt. I don't hear any sagging and the pole pieces are vented. They do have a certain coloration to them which is not necessarily unwanted or undesirable. I also own several Bag End products and like them equal to the Eden cabs. Bag End cabs also have a coloration to them. Mine are loaded with Gauss speakers which make them a little sluggesh and bottom heavy yet when compared to the Eminence loaded cabs that sweetness is still very much present. I believe that is because of the tight baffle board spacing (my muse). Bag End uses Eminence speakers like so many other companies, Eden makes their own. Bag End cabs also have no adjustable crossovers so what you clack is there all the time. Bag end cabs have less sensitivity then the Eden cabs but can handle a little more power. It's the old dilema again. Greater sensitivity uses less power vs,,,, Any way, I had attended the AES show in NY a few weeks back and had a chance to renew my friendship with Jim and had the privilege of meeting Mr. Larry Neubauer whose is also a bass player. He promises to get Jim thinking about expanding the line with some new and exciting products. I would speak with him on the latest developments. Jim did tell me that this year he is going to offer self powered 1x15,2x10 and 4x10 cabs. Powered with their minimus plate amplifier. I like both companies but have been using the Bag End products a lot longer. They do sound a little more HIFI. Tell that to the drunk in the rear of the room! So either one is a great choice. The Eden will cost less and be offered by more local stores. Eden is more recognized among the masses and therefore will have a quicker resale whereas Bag end will retain it's value longer. Hope this helps you. Good luck.

oggydoggy · « **Reply #7 on:** October 24, 2007, 07:49:51 PM »

Thanks Dela and Bk..I need to test drive some Bag Ends.
Michael-I have a QSC RMX1450, considering selling...
I am interested in one of your cables(which I highly suggest to all looking for one) your last cable got sold with my 75'. my stock Alembic just went bad..so send me your price..almost snagged your last one at auction..
Thanks guys
-Ed

hb3 · « **Reply #8 on:** October 24, 2007, 07:56:37 PM »

Bag End rocks. Two 4X10s. Yes. Try it. It's a beautiful thing.

tbrannon · « **Reply #9 on:** October 24, 2007, 08:26:00 PM »

Ed,

I have 2 Bag End S15D's. Love 'em to death- I've never owned any Eden's- only played a few in shops- so I can't say I prefer one over the other, but I can tell you that I wouldn't trade the Bag End cabs for anything else I've played through.

Toby

georgesdayout · « **Reply #10 on:** October 24, 2007, 08:54:58 PM »

I played through 2 2x10 Bag End cabs for years. Finally sold them to my son's guitar teacher when I realized I was plugging directly into the PA more often than not (and switched to a full range cab when I started doing overtime as a 2nd keyboardist). The Bag Ends were great. The nice thing about the 2x10's is the ability to put them where you need them. I was in an instrumental rock band with two very loud guitarists and ended up facing one cab right at the drummer and the other on the floor in front of me as a monitor. For smaller venues, I could either stack the 2x10's or spread them and run some stereo effects. Only issue with the 4 ohm cabs is getting a power amp that can handle 2 ohms if you run them in parallel. But it is relatively simple to split the signal into both sides of a stereo amp and run each speaker on its own channel.

Nice to have the choice, though... Good luck!

- George

David Houck · « **Reply #11 on:** October 24, 2007, 10:01:19 PM »

This stuff can be so subjective.

I am looking for clean tone generation. Would you say the Bag End is smoother than the Eden?

I think the Bag End is smoother than the Eden; I don't think of either one as being clean. I think the Eden cuts through in a band better than the Bag End.

Caveat. I purchased my Bag End used, and one of the speakers was always a little iffy; there was only so much low end signal that it could take. Therefore I never took it out on gigs with a band since I couldn't get it loud enough; I always took the Eden. In my living room, the Bag End sounded great, and I much prefered it to the Eden. However, finally the bad speaker blew completely and the Bag End is unplayable; and I haven't gotten around to getting it repaired. So, I've been using the Eden all this time. And I love it. I had the rigged fired up this evening and it sounds wonderful.

Caveat 2. I'm using an Elf, so when talking about the Bag End 2x10 and the Eden 2x10, I'm only talking about how they sound in conjuction with my Elf.

Having read Michael's statement about pushing 1,500 watts through his Bag End, maybe I should finally get around to getting mine repaired.

bsee · « **Reply #12 on:** October 24, 2007, 11:23:42 PM »

I love my Schroeder cabs and wouldn't use anything else right now, but I have previously experienced both Eden and Bag End. I would take a pair of Bag End 1x15 cabs over anything Eden makes if those were my choices. The Bag Ends have a lot of punch and, to me, they sound like what a bass should be.

keith_h · « **Reply #13 on:** October 25, 2007, 04:29:31 AM »

Need I say anymore. :-)

D10BX-d and D10B-D on top
and
S18C-E on the bottom

As for the tweeter Bag End will send you a schematic to add a bypass switch to the crossover. You or your tech could also add an attenuator if desired.

Keith

dela217 · « **Reply #14 on:** October 25, 2007, 06:19:13 AM »

The 2x10 plus the 18 seems like the way to go!

Can you describe the sound of the 18 when added to the 2X10?

I know that the 2X10 is great on it's own. Throw an 18 in the mix and I bet it sounds incredible.