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adriaan

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Troubleshooting for 5 string Spoiler #86S4221
« Reply #45 on: July 26, 2023, 02:23:56 PM »
(Continuing the troubleshooting started on the Serial Nber / History Requests https://club.alembic.com/index.php?topic=27978.msg284814;topicseen#msg284814 )

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Re: Troubleshooting for 5 string Spoiler #86S4221
« Reply #46 on: July 26, 2023, 02:36:13 PM »

Thanks for moving this discussion to the proper category Adriaan!

If you have access to a drill-press it may be possible to find some type of hardwood dowel that is slightly larger than the existing holes, drill a clean hole the size of the dowel and glue the dowel in place. Then you would be able to drill new holes the proper size for the Alembic electronics. Good thing to think about if you are going to sand and refinish the instrument since the dowels would need trimming and sanding to get an even fit with the top wood. You could also use a dowel to fill the old truss cover holes, then re-drill or install threaded inserts.

Great to see you giving this bass a lot of love... best of luck with the restoration!

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Re: Troubleshooting for 5 string Spoiler #86S4221
« Reply #47 on: July 27, 2023, 12:25:35 AM »
Thanks Adriaan,
Hello StephenR!

Got carried away on last thread…apologies
More exploration on this bass!
Yeah. The wood plugs are a great idea.
Hard to come up with a match to the flame Koa. Friend of mine has a very nice drill press, so that is a real possibility.
Leaning toward trying to find an Alembic solution for 4 knobs and adding a possible active/passive switch. See what they say.
Did plug in today for a few hours.
This is what I’ve noticed. The replaced electronics, (Glockenklang? ) function as suspected.
Push pull, active , passive.
While active bass is louder at the set specific low boost / cut , and set treble boost cut.
Other control is pan.
That said, bass is still approx 10db lower (used decibel x)than my 4003 passive , and fretless jazz(emg active)
Can’t say I like the active sound coloration, the freq is very low, the high is scratchy.
Did email q
Alembic to see possible replacement.

Then went down the radius rabbit hole.
JimmyJ, this is what I see.
 
The nut is a bit off from my 12” radius gauge, but only a bit on the B side and G side?
The fret board is right on the money
The bridge is dramatically off, with A string sitting very low, well below radius. 
Since the  bridge saddles are not independently height adjustable, I would have to file saddles lower on all but A string to get proper radius.
Made a cardboard 12”  radius(following your idea)
and checked them all with under string radius gauge and regular gauge.
My plan, in order,  make nut radius correct, check 1st fret to .55mm, double check neck relief(no tension at all on it currently…which makes me a little concerned…tension makes too convex
Then correct the saddles…
Seem like a good plan?
The finish I the least worried about.
 Just getting the heart and soul of this bass correct has been a challenge !



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Re: Troubleshooting for 5 string Spoiler #86S4221
« Reply #48 on: July 27, 2023, 10:50:15 PM »
Good evening!

Major progress.  JimmyJ, you're a genius.
Making the assumption that the bass already was correct in its radius was foolish given its seeming condition.
Did some work on nut, double checked the truss rods, then made the bridge have a correct 12" radius.
That was the ticket.  1st fret clearance is at .55mm all strings, action is at 3/32, and the string buzz issues have gone away.
Made a huge difference.  Starting to feel dialed in now.
Electronics i'm gonna put a pin in for now...
Next will be the finish...
Thanks for all the help Club!

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Re: Troubleshooting for 5 string Spoiler #86S4221
« Reply #49 on: July 28, 2023, 11:16:03 AM »
Hey Ed,

Great that you got the bass set up the way you like!

Found a source for hardwood dowels in various sizes and wood types like maple, cherry, walnut. The dowels come in sizes from 1/2" to 2". Going to be difficult to find Koa dowels but a contrasting wood should look pretty nice.
https://www.cindoco.com/products

This site has an excellent assortment of exotic hardwood dowels, no Koa but some interesting choices.
https://www.bellforestproducts.com/wood-dowels/


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Re: Troubleshooting for 5 string Spoiler #86S4221
« Reply #50 on: July 28, 2023, 01:16:54 PM »
If you want to go all out and having or know someone with the equipment to do wood turnninig, this company sells Hawaiian Koa pen blanks.


https://hawaiiankoa.com/t/hawaiian-koa-pen-blanks 

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Re: Troubleshooting for 5 string Spoiler #86S4221
« Reply #51 on: July 29, 2023, 07:24:55 PM »
Thanks Stephen R and Hammer!

My first thought, and if anybody can help please direct me...
Utilize the 4 holes as is and replace preamp and pots with an Alembic electronics consisting of 4 pots plus add 1 switch( will have to be drilled and squeezed in somewhere...)
I emailed Alembic to this query, but haven't received a response, maybe that was wrong approach, and I should contact dealership?
At this point I just need the assembly, not the pickups, if that is possible?

Today I worked on the 2 brass pieces that were funky...The truss cover, screw was misaligned, had replaced the wood screw that were in it and chewed up the inserts...and the back plate cover.
For both I put in threaded inserts, then cut and shaped a piece of 1.5mm brass to fit both spots.

Came out pretty good, I think.
just ordered some conductive paint from Stewmac.
Going on vacation for a week, so made it to a logical break point. 
When I get back, I'll resume the madness!
Thanks for the links and suggestions.  Will take a look for sure!
Please keep help, suggestions, ideas coming!


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Re: Troubleshooting for 5 string Spoiler #86S4221
« Reply #52 on: July 29, 2023, 09:27:07 PM »
Yes!  More excellent progress. Glad to hear you’ve wrangled the action into shape. And these two brass pieces look brand new. Good work!

I’m sure there is an Alembic electronics package that you could “fit to the holes” so to speak.  Others in here will chime in with suggestions (I only know the Series electronics). I like that you’re already thinking about a custom option. Stand by for ideas.

Nice going!

Jimmy J

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Re: Troubleshooting for 5 string Spoiler #86S4221
« Reply #53 on: July 30, 2023, 04:23:40 PM »
Again Ed, you have a couple easy options for zero-mod, Alembic drop-in equipment. I highly recommend you seek Mica's advice here. She really knows what will fit, and what you'll likely need to whittle for. She can also de-mystify what the electronics packages are, and what'll get you closer to what your goals are.


Lookin' good! Stay after it.

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Re: Troubleshooting for 5 string Spoiler #86S4221
« Reply #54 on: August 05, 2023, 11:49:22 AM »
Hello!

Back from vacation...Thanks for the suggestions JimmyJ and Ed!
Is the best way to reach out to Mica is call the Alembic number and talk directly?  (What a thought in this new age of text, blogs, and Forums!!!LOL)
All the suggestions have really helped this bass feel more normal to me. 
This is an amazing source of information!
Received the conductive paint. 
Next will be to take it apart and start the sanding.
talk soon
E