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glocke

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Entire rig blew up...
« on: September 15, 2018, 07:55:44 AM »
No idea what happened...In the middle of the first song of the first set the whole rig went out.


Eden head is dead.  I swapped out the fuse just a few moments ago and started it up and it immediately blew.


Cabinet is shot now as well, I tried a different head and it sounds like only one driver is working and thats distorted as heck.


Now I need to scramble around for a new cab and will probably end up with something I don't really want.


You can see by the photo that I really wasn't driving this all that hard, the amp was in bridged mono mode but still...



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Re: Entire rig blew up...
« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2018, 08:02:11 AM »
The power conditioner should have caught a power surge from the venue wiring.  My guess would be bridge mode.

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Re: Entire rig blew up...
« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2018, 08:07:06 AM »
Oh, man.  I am really sorry to hear that, glocke.

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Re: Entire rig blew up...
« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2018, 08:15:36 AM »
The power conditioner should have caught a power surge from the venue wiring.  My guess would be bridge mode.

Not sure I understand.  Are you saying that by running it in bridged mode i may have caused things to blow up?

I've got spare heads here, but need to look around for a cabinet.  I've got a single 15" Bag End, but I generally like to use 2x15's or 2x12's.  Local shops all seem to have 4x10's.  not really familiar with that setup, are 4x10's as warm and "big sounding" as a 2x12 or 2x15?

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Re: Entire rig blew up...
« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2018, 08:34:22 AM »


I've got spare heads here, but need to look around for a cabinet.  I've got a single 15" Bag End, but I generally like to use 2x15's or 2x12's.  Local shops all seem to have 4x10's.  not really familiar with that setup, are 4x10's as warm and "big sounding" as a 2x12 or 2x15?

No, they aren't. 
4 10" air columns cannot give you the same depth (or physical impact) as even 1 15" column.  I know a lot of people like them, but I wouldn't use 10s for bass unless they were on top of a/some 15(s) or 18(s).  Or, for that matter, a 21........
I'd say go with the Bag End until you can find a 2X15 you like.
And Dave's right, with a conditioner to rule out a surge, the problem is probably later in the rig.  I don't think bridging would blow your fuses, but I'm thinking something's not quite right in the Eden (assuming the SF-2 is in an effects loop; if it's in the signal chain before the Eden, it might need diagnosed, as well).

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Re: Entire rig blew up...
« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2018, 08:50:02 AM »
Thanks Peter.

Anyone have any thoughts on Aguilar 2x12’s? Or bergantino?

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Re: Entire rig blew up...
« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2018, 09:31:31 AM »
Glocke,
Sorry about the rig. I have a Berg CN212 that kicks like a mule while sounding really good. Bergantino has since updated this model to
a HDN212. Less than 50 lbs! Also Bareface makes great light cabs in the UK
Good time to be Bassist everything light and powerful.
And you could also pick up some decades old world class basses at decent coin. ;)
Peace,
Pete

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Re: Entire rig blew up...
« Reply #7 on: September 15, 2018, 11:47:22 AM »
I will tell you what happened to mine Ampeg SVT3, hope that is not your case.

In the middle of the night it stoped and I had myself depending on just DI and headphones. Didn't hear anything odd, it just died. Thanks for using the amp just for the bass monitoring, it wasn't a total panic (I've just missed the old thump on chest feel). Raised the bass on phones and went on. Next day I saw the blown fuse, replaced it and tried to turn amp on to check it. After a few seconds it died again and there was a light scent of burnt plastic, not good.

It was a blown transformer, one of the most expensives parts to repair in a tube amp (specially in Brazil, since it'd need to be imported). I ended buying a new amp since repairing costs would be almost the same.

It was when I got it home to test it first time that I discovered both speakers of my cabinet were trashed, cones ripped probably when the dead amp overloaded for the last time. The sympton was a dreaded fuzz like distortion tone even at low levels. I imagine a low end pulse did it, since I didn't noticed anything at the moment, but was a real drag. Lost all my gear in a night.
« Last Edit: September 15, 2018, 11:51:09 AM by mario_farufyno »
Not just a bass, this is an Alembic!

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Re: Entire rig blew up...
« Reply #8 on: September 15, 2018, 12:14:32 PM »
Glocke,
Sorry about the rig. I have a Berg CN212 that kicks like a mule while sounding really good. Bergantino has since updated this model to
a HDN212. Less than 50 lbs! Also Bareface makes great light cabs in the UK
Good time to be Bassist everything light and powerful.
And you could also pick up some decades old world class basses at decent coin. ;)
Peace,
Pete


Im giving serious thought to a Bergantino HDN2x12.

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Re: Entire rig blew up...
« Reply #9 on: September 15, 2018, 12:17:23 PM »
I will tell you what happened to mine Ampeg SVT3, hope that is not your case.

In the middle of the night it stoped and I had myself depending on just DI and headphones. Didn't hear anything odd, it just died. Thanks for using the amp just for the bass monitoring, it wasn't a total panic (I've just missed the old thump on chest feel). Raised the bass on phones and went on. Next day I saw the blown fuse, replaced it and tried to turn amp on to check it. After a few seconds it died again and there was a light scent of burnt plastic, not good.

It was a blown transformer, one of the most expensives parts to repair in a tube amp (specially in Brazil, since it'd need to be imported). I ended buying a new amp since repairing costs would be almost the same.

It was when I got it home to test it first time that I discovered both speakers of my cabinet were trashed, cones ripped probably when the dead amp overloaded for the last time. The sympton was a dreaded fuzz like distortion tone even at low levels. I imagine a low end pulse did it, since I didn't noticed anything at the moment, but was a real drag. Lost all my gear in a night.

ugh...aside from the burnt plastic smell that sounds exactly like what happened to me.

How could a low end pulse do that?  Is it possible by throwing the SF2 in there that could have caused something similar to happen to me?  I didn't have it set for anything crazy.

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« Reply #10 on: September 15, 2018, 12:19:12 PM »
Sorry to hear about this... sounds like an awful experience to go through. Obviously have no way to troubleshoot for you remotely but one thing you need to be careful of with the Superfilter is the gain structure. It looks like you are running the filter gain pretty hot, the HPF would probably be okay like that but it is hard to see what mode the second filter is in. I have always avoided bridged mode after reading about people frying their gear but for others it seems to work fine. Could be something totally unrelated to any settings at the amp/filter, though. You have a thread on TalkBass that started out about problems with the DI before the amp blew so there may have been something internally going bad.

I would start by taking the amp to a tech before buying a new amp. As far as speakers if you have something you can use until you find exactly what you want that would be great. There are lots of excellent choices for bass cabinets these days. I got a couple  of Barefaced cabinets with 12" drivers recently, a SuperTwin and a Big Baby 2, they sound really good and are amazingly light, very loud, respond well to EQ,  and put out tons of low end while still retaining punch. Expensive and hard to find used, all their speakers are made to order so it takes a month or so to get one. When the cabs are finished they ship to the US overnight. My cabinet got to my front door in CA about 21 hours after it was shipped from the UK. The Mesa Subway cabinets are excellent, too, as are the Bergantino cabs, and at least you may be able to find them locally to audition them. So many choices worth taking the time to explore.

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Re: Entire rig blew up...
« Reply #11 on: September 15, 2018, 12:41:21 PM »
Sorry to hear about this... sounds like an awful experience to go through. Obviously have no way to troubleshoot for you remotely but one thing you need to be careful of with the Superfilter is the gain structure. It looks like you are running the filter gain pretty hot, the HPF would probably be okay like that but it is hard to see what mode the second filter is in. I have always avoided bridged mode after reading about people frying their gear but for others it seems to work fine. Could be something totally unrelated to any settings at the amp/filter, though. You have a thread on TalkBass that started out about problems with the DI before the amp blew so there may have been something internally going bad.

I would start by taking the amp to a tech before buying a new amp. As far as speakers if you have something you can use until you find exactly what you want that would be great. There are lots of excellent choices for bass cabinets these days. I got a couple  of Barefaced cabinets with 12" drivers recently, a SuperTwin and a Big Baby 2, they sound really good and are amazingly light, very loud, respond well to EQ,  and put out tons of low end while still retaining punch. Expensive and hard to find used, all their speakers are made to order so it takes a month or so to get one. When the cabs are finished they ship to the US overnight. My cabinet got to my front door in CA about 21 hours after it was shipped from the UK. The Mesa Subway cabinets are excellent, too, as are the Bergantino cabs, and at least you may be able to find them locally to audition them. So many choices worth taking the time to explore.

Second filter was in band pass. 

I've actually been looking at Barefaced cabs for awhile...Sadly I can't wait a month.  Just a few minutes ago ordered a Berg HDN2x12.  Hope I like it...

Was almost going to get a second BagEnd S15,  and just stack 2 15" cabs, but I don't think my back would appreciate that.

Fortunately the venue had a Hartke rig and an SVT cabinet for me to use...Damn did that thing move some air, really made all the difference in the world in terms of overall playing enjoyment and band energy.

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Re: Entire rig blew up...
« Reply #12 on: September 15, 2018, 05:37:15 PM »
Bummer!   As the Billy Crystal character on SNL used to say, "I hate when that happens".   As for the cab, why not just repair/replace the speakers?

Bill, tgo

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Re: Entire rig blew up...
« Reply #13 on: September 15, 2018, 06:00:40 PM »
Hey Greg,

Now you know what caused the distorted sound you were asking about last week - it was a warning! 

By your description, I think the cabinet may be the culprit.  Unlikely that both cabinet and amp would simultaneously fold.  But if you had a failure in the cabinet which dropped the impedance too low, like a shorted speaker cable, that would blow the amps fuse.  I suppose it could also have blown the output transformer, if there is one on the Eden.  But if you haven't already tried it, connect your bagend cab, replace the Eden's fuse again and see if it fires up.

Jimmy J

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Re: Entire rig blew up...
« Reply #14 on: September 15, 2018, 06:32:09 PM »
Be sure you try a different speaker cable too.
JJ