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palembic

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« Reply #30 on: October 28, 2004, 12:06:51 AM »
Prizes?! Prizes?! I LOOOOOOOOVE prizes!!!! Never got one ever!
Although ...if I may indicate the most funny intervenience on this site the winner would be Brother James Malthumb when he came into the Black, short and handsome thread.  
When I think of it it always makes me Laugh Out Loud  =LOL
 
Paul the bad one

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« Reply #31 on: October 28, 2004, 03:28:02 AM »
back when i ordered my alembic the web site was not up and running like it is now,and i didnt have a computer at the time anyway.i now know that if it were now,things would be a lot different.the bass center didnt help very much,just wanting to see the back of me i suppose.but there you go.
again,my appologies for putting anyones back up.
regards Paul  ROLLS _ROYS

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« Reply #32 on: October 28, 2004, 05:41:11 AM »
Back to the topic at hand~ throughout the 90's it seemed like all the 'major' american brands had a 15% increase every year!!!! The market for Alembics is not as lucrative as other brands (we know the MSRP, we know the average discount). I doubt this increase is lining the pockets of our friends in Santa Rosa, but at the same time take a look at how busy the factory is right now with custom orders alone!!! They have a lot on their plate right now, and they're doing anything but rushing them out! It's the simple economic principle of supply and demand. A lot of people (myself included) have been turned on to Alembic in the past few years. To keep the quality control in check and keep the amount of new orders to a reasonable number then the increase is justified. I guess it negates the next Coco Bolo special we've all been waiting for....    
 
 

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« Reply #33 on: October 29, 2004, 12:17:36 AM »
After reading all of these posts, I feel I have to say something!  I love my Alembic Essence.  It is one of the finest basses I have ever played in my entire life.  The workmanship is impeccable and the tones that I can achieve range from heavy bass that will blow a band away to an almost baritone guitar tone with the eq set very ?toppy?.  The one thing I must say however: is that due to the price increases since I bought my Alembic back in 1996, the price has gone from an ?affordable? to an ?unaffordable? for most bass players.  I?m sure this is no fault to Alembic as they have to keep up with the ever increasing cost of wood and labor.  Now it seems that only the rich can afford an Alembic.  This saddens me as I see kids pick up a crappy bass that was made in a mass production line, try to play it, but being that it is of such poor quality and so hard to play they give up.  Hopefully if times improve, I hope Alembic can make a quality bass that the brunt of the population can afford.  No one should go through life playing anything but!

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« Reply #34 on: October 29, 2004, 07:14:38 AM »
Maxime; as I have not had even my first cup of coffee yet, I am going to disagree or question a few of your comments.  Perhaps after the coffee's ready I'll see things more clearly  
 
First, who are most bass players?  To state that most bass players could afford an Essence in 1996, but that most cannot now, just doesn't seem reasonable.  I would imagine that in 1996 there were quite a large number of bass players, especially those in their early to mid twenties, who could not afford an Essence.  I would guess that most bass players in 1996 were buying basses that cost less than $1,000.  These would be the Fender, Ibanez, Yamaha, Peavey, etc. that make up most of the stock of music stores and mail order catalogues.  I'm thinking many of these players were working low paying jobs and had very little disposable income.  And I'm thinking they were looking to pay less than maybe $700 for a bass.  On the other hand, I would think that Alembic and other high end builders are selling more basses at the current Essence price or higher now than they were in 1996 at the 1996 Essence prices.  With the ageing of the baby boomers, there are more older folks who've been saving their money over a longer lifespan, and who are inclined to buy high end electric basses, now than there were in 1996.
 
Second, I don't think it reasonable, given my above statements about the economic resources of most younger players, to expect the same quality of instrument if Alembic sold a bass that the majority of players could afford.  Most players are buying basses that cost less than $1,000.  It would seem to me that one reason Alembics are of such high quality is that they are built in a small shop of very talented artisans.  If they sold a high quality bass for less than a $1,000, the waiting time for a new bass would be decades.  To accommodate the demand for $1,000 Alembics, the company would have to hire more workers, which would mean a decrease in the quality of the work.
 
Third; I don't agree that no one should go through life playing anything but an Alembic.  There are a number of builders that make very nice instruments.  Not only are there lots of quality high end builders such as Fodera and Sadowsky, but there are good quality lower priced production line basses as well.  For example, I don't think that you should be saddened to see someone playing a Warwick.
 
Finally, there are quite a lot of bass players who play bass just for the pleasure of being on stage.  They don't care to sit at home and practice.  They are proficient enough to handle the relatively easy lines that are required for the set list their band plays.  They are perfectly happy with a Fender and the free beer the bar provides.
 
Well the coffee should be ready by now.

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« Reply #35 on: October 29, 2004, 09:09:02 AM »
Hi Dave,
 
I specificaly used quotations on the word affordable because I know the term is realative to point of view you are looking at.  Here's an example, young kid fresh out of the military, has a low paying job, wants bass.  Goes to music store, sees bass for sale for around $2000.00  Applies for financing, gets approved, goes home with a big smile and nice new bass.  The thirty dollars a month I was paying, I would have to say was affordable.  However, same bass now brand new goes for $8000.00  If financed, the same thrity dollars a month would take 23 years to pay off.  The only option would be to pay a lot more.  Also I don't think most credit firms will not finance $8000.00 to a 20yr old for a bass.  I completly understand what you are saying though.  It was a vague description and wrong of me to group everyone into my group.  Also now that I think about it, I agree with what you are saying about making less costly basses.  I guess I got in at a good time, like those guys that contributed to the 401K when it first came out.

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« Reply #36 on: October 29, 2004, 11:02:24 AM »
Paul..TBO  
'everybody here in this club can invent 10 EMOTIONAL arguments why he loves to play her/his Alembic.'
I can only come up with 7 so far:
 because it's Monday,Tuesday,Wednesday,Thursday,Friday,Saturday,Sunday..yup that's 7. I'll have a beer and do some more thinking.
But seriously, nobody has actually asked or stated exactly what the increases are on ? So I will..what are they ? Is it for everything across the board ? The base model ? The options ?
I think this is kind of relative, what could you do with a dollar in '96 compared to now ? How much is a gallon of gas in the US now ? It's $1.84 a gallon more than when I first started driving (uh oh, just dated myself). Quality materials and craftsmanship dont come cheap and I think the majority of people here will continue to spend to get what they want.

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« Reply #37 on: October 29, 2004, 11:15:41 AM »
Gary,  
 
You forgot January, February, March, April.....etc.  
 
When I first started driving, gas was 29.9 cents a gallon....
 
Holy CRAP!  I'm OLD!

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« Reply #38 on: October 29, 2004, 11:55:55 AM »
Hey guys:
 
  I remember 35 cents/gallon gas, 35 cents cigarettes, 12 cent hamburgers and 10 cent fries at the Carols (we didn't have McDonalds or any other fast food chain yet).  I wonder what an Alembic would have cost then?  (Mom, where's my time machine?).  Alembics are like many other products:  the final 10% in quality is responsible for 90% of the price.  A Ferrari is a LITTLE faster than a corvette, but costs a LOT more.  A high quality off-the-rack suit might run $750-$1500, but go to a tailor for a custom handmade suit of the finest fabric and you're going to pay quite a bit more.
With an ALembic you get not just a guitar or bass, you get a work of art and an example of a fine level of craftmanship that is fast disappearing from the face of the earth.  For example, if anyone wears cowboy boots they have probably noticed that the quality of boots, across virtually all the brands, has significantly diminished in the past few years.  As for guitars, I'd put my '68 Gibson ES-335 up against anything coming out of Gibson today.  
 
The important thing is to remember that we are not getting old.  We are merely increasing in value!  (& needing glasses).
 
Bill, the guitar one

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« Reply #39 on: October 29, 2004, 11:58:37 AM »
Brother Hollis,
 
naaaaaaaaaah ...
as the serious musician I take you for you should know that we musicians NEVER go OLD ...we mature, we are getting experienced but NEVER old!
 
Paul the bad one

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« Reply #40 on: October 29, 2004, 12:10:47 PM »
well all i can say is my assembly line orion 5 IS the best bass i have ever owned- i ahve changed strings a dozen times since april( checking out sounds) and not once has my neck moved one rats hair. been playing electric bass for over 35 years. I have owned over 15 various basses in my lifetime-Did i pay more money than i should have? maybe. wanted to? yeah- but
does anything else sound like an alembic? not to my ears. nor to my bandmates. thats why i plunked down major money to have my own custom made bass. and if prices are indeed going up- well my investment and  current bass just increased in value.
nobody puts a gun to your head and makes you buy an alembic- your ears do

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« Reply #41 on: October 29, 2004, 12:31:13 PM »
Jeff (flaxattack), you've said exactly what I was thinking.  I am in total agreement with your words.  I choose to purchase Alembic instruments, period!
 
Ellery (Lowlife)

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« Reply #42 on: October 29, 2004, 12:44:30 PM »
Thanks brother Paul TBO,
 
I needed that!
 
Holy CRAP! Am I experienced!......

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« Reply #43 on: October 29, 2004, 02:20:19 PM »
Hollis
I over looked those,thanks for the reminder,told you I needed a lager.
Gas was 26 cents when I was turned loose on the general public,sometimes it was 23 when the stations had the mini gas wars. Cruise for 2 nites on 2 bucks.  
Now we all need to get our nomenclature together: none of us are getting old, but we are getting older. It sounds better. Experience is also an excellent replacement.
Gray hair ? Ah,pardon me,that's platinum if you please.  
Belly ? No, sorry, that's just an effect from gravitational forces.  
Happy halloween e'ryone

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« Reply #44 on: October 29, 2004, 02:38:01 PM »
I guess if we consider the Sun a relatively young Star.... And I understand the Hawaiian Islands aren't too many thousands of years old, babies by Earths standards......  
 
Hey!  I'm feeling younger all the time.....  Wonder if the guy at the liquor store will card me?  
 
(Message edited by hollis on October 29, 2004)