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« Reply #15 on: March 05, 2005, 01:26:30 PM »
An important aspect of any business - especially a service business - is communication with customers and managing expectations.
 
Tell someone a job will take 18 months and deliver in 12 = happy customer.
 
Tell them a job will take 3 months and deliver in 12 = pissed off customer.
 
Same job but different customer experience based on expectation management.
 
I am a big beliver in the maxim that bad news doesn't improve with age.
 
If, at the six month mark, it looks like the job is going to be more like 15 months, tell the customer straight away its going to be 18 months. The customer's appreciation of your candour and early advice will go a long way towards offsetting the disappointment about the delay. At the time of delivery the customer's expectations will have been recallibrated to the new estimate and so the delivery will be perceived as early = happy customer.
 
The foregoing is generic advice, not directed at any particular business.  
 
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« Reply #16 on: March 05, 2005, 02:25:52 PM »
From what I'm reading here it sounds like I'm going to have a bit of a wait on my hands. That's OK with me. I told the folks at Alembic that I was in no rush.( that just gives me more time to save up and less to go on the credit card!)I have been wanting and waiting for the chance at a Series Bass since about 77'.
Unfortunately, as my income level rose, so did the price of an Alembic staying just slightly out of my reach for almost 28 years! In the interim I contented myself with a demo Europa and an Ebay Distillate.( both wonderful in their own right!) After the announcment of the latest price increase, I decided that I'd finally had enough. With todays economy, Alembics would continue to spiral spiral out of sight and if I did not act now I might never achieve that lofty goal, so....I decided to dip into my 401K and go for a custom. If it takes another year to get this bass, so be it. It is worth the wait.  
I must tell you people honestly, that I have no sympathy. So which one is this? Alembic number ten or twenty for some of you? Your third or fourth custom? You should all know this about Alembic by now. One of the quirks of Alembic is that they have quirks!! They are artisans not business people. They are into board/feet not the Board room! And like any artist with an ego they love to be showered with praise but tend to not want to deal with much critisism so why are you surprised at their behavior.( not to mention the fact that they are probably insanely busy!). When you order an Alembic you take your chances. I don't fault them for this.It bothers me too when I read about them not responding in a timely manner or don't get an answer to my emails but nowhere else in the world will you get the singular experience known as Alembic.
 OK, I put my soapbox away!   Mike

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« Reply #17 on: March 05, 2005, 04:08:44 PM »
Don't forget that old maxim:  you can catch more Alembics with honey than you can with vinegar.  
 
I've been waiting several months and I don't expect anything in the immediate future.  I suspect that this is a lot like looking for a parking space in a crowded metropolitan area, like Manhattan, or downtown San Francisco.  While you are looking for a place to park it is foremost in your mind, it is frustrating, and it tends to overshadow the reason you are there in the first place...BUT... once you find the parking place, you totally forget about the delay and hassle in  finding it and get on with things.  I suspect that when my custom Further is finally in my hands, I won't be stressing on the wait.  I've waited over 30 years from when I first got the hots for an Alembic, so what's a few weeks or months more in the great scheme of things?  (Susan, Mica, Val, et al, don't get the wrong idea from this post.  Ideally, I still want my axe yesterday, but I understand - LOL).
 
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« Reply #18 on: March 05, 2005, 06:46:22 PM »
Be glad that you are ordering an Alembic and not commissioning an actual piece of art. My mom is a sculptor. You can go to Riverside Park in New York City at W 72nd St and see a monument of Eleanor Roosevelt that she made. It took 10 years to make (a bit past the original estimate) and in the end, my mom probably didn't even make minimum wage. Now she's making a monument of Robert Frost for Amherst College and while its being done a  little faster, it's still been something like 4 or 5 years in the making. Custom Alembics are works of art. If you want a production bass, they are out there, but real art takes its own time.
 
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« Reply #19 on: March 05, 2005, 07:06:51 PM »
Hey Guys
 
I am really surprised at some of the things I am reading here. It has been my experience that most of us here with only a few exceptions live and die for our Alembics. I know quite a few of you have several Alembics and have come back time and again to get a custom built.  
I do understand the build process can be a timely one and through this frustration can be something you might experience. This being said it has been a dream of mine to own an Alembic since I first ever laid eyes on one and to this date I have had my Essence longer than I was married. I have put it up for sale a couple of times and then I play it and think, I just can't do it and I know a few of you who wish you had not.  
I understand that sometimes we get promises that can't be kept for this reason or that but I feel overall 99.9 percent of us are more than happy after we receive our instrument. How many of you slow down your on instrument by changing your mind mid stream or every day? What do you think logically happens when this occurs? My guess is you go to the back of the line while they work on someone elses project so they don't back up completely.  
At any given time I have never seen more than ten people at Alembic working and only half of those actually work on your instruments. So you can understand the time it takes to build just one of these instruments by hand.  
It sounds like Rami has run into an issue that needs to be resolved in some fashion or another but for my part I don't even worry about the problems that I have had occur. That being said I am only 45 minutes away!
I don't want you to feel that I think everything Alembic does is right I feel that there is room for improvement, however I have owned a British car in my lifetime and if you want to talk about waits or expense try Rolls Royce.
The next time you are looking at your one of a kind instrument with custom inlays or laser lights or electronic upgrades or hand picked laminates or gold plated whatcha ma jigs think about how lucky you are to have something that was done just for you!
 
Rory
PS please address all hate mail to Hellen Waite!

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« Reply #20 on: March 05, 2005, 07:17:32 PM »
well said Rory...

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« Reply #21 on: March 05, 2005, 09:44:55 PM »
Hear, Hear! Out of the 14 basses I own, 10 are Alembic. Out of those, 6 were custom or special order. With #11 on the way I have dealt directly with Mica and Susan on 5 of them and another refinish on my first Spoiler from 83. I have had waits that were compounded by those who supply Alembic with material. But each one gives me great satisfaction when I pick them up and play them. I have yet to play another bass that feels like these babies. I also have not dealt with a company as special. I tried to get a pot from Gibson for a bass. They basicly told me to eff off. I've been to music stores that for the most part don't know what they are doing and don't really care. I've dealt with retailers across the country and outside of Elderly they left me cold.  I've been to several NAMM's and was not inpressed by much of what is on offer. This is my opinion and experience. I am fiercely loyal to this company because of the people that run it and produce what I want. They have gone out of their way to show their compassion and interest in my life and the lives of others. These are very busy people. Think how much more could be accomplished without all the demands for updates. I count myself among the guilty here. (sorry Val, I was bored on my way home from work) The FTC page is amazing! I love it when I get an update but I always check out what all of you are getting too. (Much healthier than porn really.)  My latest is going to be a while due to custom artwork and the time to create the inlays. It's not as tricked out as others but it's not off the shelf. There is something wonderful about having something created for you because that is how you wanted it and it is unique. I do feel lucky Rory........ very lucky indeed!
For those who have other sentiments, we feel your pain.  
(I think I'm gonna change my 4003 and TBird pups to Alembic while I wait)
Danno

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« Reply #22 on: March 06, 2005, 02:28:50 AM »
Hey Joey
 
I like your advice careful about nagging the magician LOL!  I have five basses and two hands...I can wait.
 
foth

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« Reply #23 on: March 06, 2005, 06:40:44 AM »
Back to Jorge's initial post, it wasn't an ALEMBIC he was waiting on, it was a different company altogether; that's what my comment was about!!!! I think the thread has become somewhat sidetracked. I have absolutely no problem with anything to do with the makers of the Enchanted Woods whatsoever!!! I do feel for Rami though....

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« Reply #24 on: March 06, 2005, 09:40:11 AM »
Rory:
 
45 minutes from Oakland to Alembic in Santa Rosa (60 miles)!  SLOW DOWN MAN, you want to still be around when your new bass is ready, don't you?  You won't be able to pay it off if you're giving all your $ to the CHP!  Or is it that you're flying a helicopter? (nyuk, nyuk)  Maybe you're so excited about visiting your in vitro axe that it just seems like 45 minutes.   Ain't it great to live around here and personally pick out your woods, check on progress, hang out and schmooze at Alembicland, etc.?  Wait til you see the amazing piece of cocobolo I picked out for the back of my Further the last time I was up there.  
 
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« Reply #25 on: March 06, 2005, 10:13:11 AM »
Yep, getting back to the original thoughts of the thread, the answer is really all about one thing.  Customer service.
 
David B's comments on expectations were dead on.  It doesn't matter how long it takes to build and deliver the instrument as long as the customer and builder are in synch.  
 
Here's what I think is reasonable; What I would expect from any builder:
 
Pre-order:  Respond to questions about options and features either directly or through a sales channel in a reasonable time (within a week).  I would resubmit questions after a week passes, and multiple failures to respond would be a sign that something is wrong.  Some businesses work better by phone rather than mail, so take that into account.  I also expect to hear an estimate for delivery date at the time the order is placed.
 
Post-order until start of production:  Same expectations as pre-order in terms of responsiveness.  Typical issues here would be fine-tuning specs and making wood selections as appropriate to the policies of the builder.  Once there is agreement that everything is right, I expect to hear that production is starting and get an update on the estimated delivery date.
 
During production:  If any issues arise that would require a spec change, I would expect the dealer to let me know.  I would also feel comfortable making contact periodically to see how things are going.  I would try to get agreement from the builder regarding when the next appropriate time to check in would be and follow that guidance.  I would expect to have the delivery estimate confirmed or updated at each discussion point.  At this stage, I would probably make a phone call if I failed to receive a response to my electronic query within a week.  As long as things stay within reasonable expeectations, the builder would have total freedom.  In the case where the delays keep coming and getting longer, I would start to press for more accurate answers with justifications.
 
So, Jorge, here's what I would do at this point.  If you haven't had contact with the builder recently, make contact.  Find out what the current estimate is for delivery and what work still needs to be done.  I'd look for a compromise if there is one.  Maybe a loaner instrument, or your instrument packaged up to play minus the GK setup delivered for you to enjoy until the parts show up so it can be completed?  
 
From what you have posted, it seems like you may not have communicated with the builder in something like a year, and you certainly don't seem to have an accurate picture of what should happen next.  If that's really the case, you need to make contact with the builder, get the current status and agree on what happens next.  While Joey's advice is good for the typical case, I wouldn't call it nagging the magician to get an occasional update on an instrument that is so far beyond the promised delivery date.  While the instrument may be a work of art, you made a business transaction and probably parted with a good deal of real money.  I think that entitles you to know how things are going, but that's just my opinion.
 
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« Reply #26 on: March 06, 2005, 02:20:03 PM »
I have a feeling that given that most Alembic instruments are different from one to the next, so too are our experiences.  I've only had one Alembic bass Custom built (as opposed to CUSTOM built, using Joey's definitions).  I've also had two basses repaired / upgraded.  Those three direct experiences resulted in three different levels of performance, but the same level of handling by the folks at Alembic.  When I use the term handling, I mean it not in a bad way, but as an attempt to use one term to describe the interpersonal communications.  The people I spoke with, most often Mica, ocassionally Mary and a few times Susan, were very consistent in being very nice and very personable.  They understood what it was I was asking them to do and what the status / progress to completion was at the time that I spoke to them.  They sometimes made promises that they did not always live up to, but I'm convinced that they always had every intention of living up to them when they made them.  Kinda like the guy from the old commercial I can do that....I can do that....I can do that....How am I gonna do that?  I never doubted their sincerity.
 
My bass was built in pretty much the same timeframe as was originally estimated when I ordered it.  Since this forum didn't exist then, I didn't go through the whole picking out wood, looking at logo modifications, alternate control functions and/or layout part of the process.  If this forum had existed, I probably would have, though.  I changed my mind on a couple things, but they didn't significantly impact the delivery time.  The crew went out of their way to set up specific delivery instructions to have it drop shipped to me, rather than having it go to my dealer first, since I was going on vacation and wanted to take it with me.  Mary even drove it over to FedEx because it had missed that day's pickup schedule.  I would imagine that anything I order now what take longer than my first one.
 
When I had 74-84 sent home for a make-over, it took more than a year.  First, understand that it was a basketcase when I bought it for $475.  The price should tell you something about the condition.  What took most of the time was that while it was out there, most of the physical work done, I decided to have the electronics upgraded to the new quiet circuitry.  It gave Ron fits.  It was at the time the oldest instrument that he'd attempted the upgrade on.  I had more than my share of Alembics and other basses to play, so I didn't press them.  When it was completed, it was right.  Unfortunately, since it was gone so long, I got used to life without it and eventually sold it.  I ocassionally regret that.
 
When I sent 87-4431 home, it was to have the LEDs replaced.  They were only working intermittently.  There was also some other small problem that I don't remember, but whatever it was, they fixed it.  This one took a little longer than I expected.  Mica was very forthcoming in telling me that since it was a repair, it would take a back seat to the new instruments that were in the shop at the time. If I were using the instrument to earn a living, I'd have probably pressed the issue, but I wasn't and I didn't.
 
I've always found that Alembic responds a lot better to phone calls than emails.  That goes from my early experiences of trying to find out info on the Spoiler that was my 1st Alembic to finding out when the logo straps were going to be available.  I just adjusted my behavior to take that into account.  If it was important, I called.  If it could wait, I'd email.  I recognize that is of little solice to those of you that are overseas.
 
I'm saddened to hear the issues Rami is going through.  I often wondered what was going on, since the threads on Rami's New Fretless seemed to go on for a couple years.  Judging by the number of Alembics Rami has, I can't imagine that they are simply blowing him off.  Even if he never buys another instrument, the collection that he has makes him a significant opinion leader and potential brand ambassador.  Every effort should be made to keep him happy.
 
Peace,
 
James
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2000 Mark King Deluxe / Series II 5-string

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« Reply #27 on: March 06, 2005, 03:23:46 PM »
Hey Bill
 
I thought 45 minutes was a little long but that is what it takes. As most of you know I am a Corvette owner but I also own a Carrera so speed is my middle name. I drive slow when I drive my pickup truck. It is great to be so close though.  
 
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« Reply #28 on: March 06, 2005, 05:29:45 PM »
i must be mellowing. nobody picked on me yet.  
remember what scotty said to kirk after kirk asked him - how come when i ask how long something takes you tell me 5 days and then it gets done in 1. scotty said, if i told ya one, you wouldnt think i was a miracle worker!
IT IS WHAT IT IS- BIG FRKN DEAl

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« Reply #29 on: March 06, 2005, 05:32:25 PM »
 
 
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