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kmh364

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Really stupid question: F-1X vs. F-2B...What's the difference?
« Reply #30 on: December 06, 2005, 07:51:01 AM »
I know, I know, I have a big *ss! LOL! I always seem to find the most expensive stuff, LOL! Well, I guess you get what you pay for.  
 
You may be able to get away with a cheaper one, but go to Sam's A** or Garbage Center and try 'em out...it's OK to blow-up their amps, LOL!

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« Reply #31 on: December 06, 2005, 07:59:51 AM »
Yes Kevin; at $379 it's not quite what I had in mind!

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« Reply #32 on: December 06, 2005, 08:06:35 AM »
One of the less expensive models should suit your needs, just try before you buy...no sense roasting an amp or two or a bunch of drivers in order to save a few bux.
 
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Kevin

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« Reply #33 on: December 06, 2005, 11:11:04 AM »
Something like a Whirlwind Selector should do the job (seems like it should be less than $100) although even that is overkill.
 
The main thing you're looking for here is noiseless switching.  They do that by putting opamps in the box to buffer the signals, then the switch selects which input goes through.  The main part is that the actual audio signal is not going through the switch itself (when it is, the thump comes from the chaotic moment when the switch is going from one set of contacts to the other).
 
The bad part about these switches is that it's another thing that will require a battery or power supply, and another thing to go wrong.
 
David Fung

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« Reply #34 on: December 06, 2005, 11:22:45 AM »
Thanks David!  It looks like those go for reasonable prices on Ebay; but then this might not be the type of thing you want to buy used.  Another downside is that if I put it on the floor for convenient switching mid-song, then I've got a cable run of three long cables.  It's $90 at Zzounds.

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« Reply #35 on: December 06, 2005, 12:06:00 PM »
I recently picked up a Wobo ABY.  You have to plug it in ... no battery ... and it dosen't come with an AC adapter.  I had one lying around, plugged it in, and so far so good.  They just started adding a ground loop switch, so you might want to make sure you get one of these new ones.  Heres a link:
 
http://www.true-bypass-loopers.com/
 
Bill, tgo

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« Reply #36 on: December 06, 2005, 12:18:16 PM »
Thanks Bill!  That looks like a nice unit.

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« Reply #37 on: December 06, 2005, 12:48:12 PM »
Bill; the ground loop switch seems to be a good idea.
 
Ok; here are two simple questions.
 
Looking at the Wobo information, all they talk about is one guitar into two amps.  But for my purpose as suggested by David, running two preamp outputs into one reverb input, there is no reason why the Wobo ABY box wouldn't work, right?
 
Simple question #2.  In this configuration, I would not want to use the Y switch, since that would send the full output of both preamps into the reverb, right?

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« Reply #38 on: December 06, 2005, 05:21:11 PM »
Since this unit is a physical relay instead of opamps then operating it in reverse shouldn't be an issue, but it's best to ask Wobo about that.  When the switching is done electronically, then the signal path really may be unidirectional (the input and output impedances won't like being reversed).  
 
The thing that you need to be careful about here is that the flipping relay is not that different than passing the signal through a switch, so you want to be sure that it's really pop-free.  The pop comes as the physical switch is flipping - depending on what kind of switch they use, you have to worry that there will be an instant where there will be no signal to the output at all or there will be a moment where both outputs are connected together which may also make a glitch or pop.  This is an issue when you're switching guitars or effects boxes between amps too, so I'm sure they have something figured out here.  One way to reduce the thump is to put a big capacitor inline in the output which will sort of absorb the transient.  That works fine, but will have the effect of changing your tone.
 
All these boxes are sort of expensive enough that they don't want to just put the simple A/B function there, which is why they have the A+B function as well.  When you parallel the outputs of the two preamps I doubt it will hurt anything under normal playing conditions but what will happen is the volume and tone may be unpredictable when they're both on (if it's a truly electronic switch, this shouldn't be an issue at all).  I guess you can use it for the big bass jam at the end of the show before all your Alembics are smashed!
 
David Fung

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« Reply #39 on: December 07, 2005, 07:20:41 AM »
Hah!!  Yes, the big jam where I smash my Alembics!  No, my reverb unit doesn't want any more input gain than it's currently getting, so the only purpose of having both preamps on would be to combine the tones, not the volume.
 
I'll keep all this in mind about the switch boxes and if I decide to try it I'll contact Wobo and ask them about reversing the path and about being pop-free.
 
Thanks!

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« Reply #40 on: December 07, 2005, 05:02:41 PM »
I use a Morley A/B box to switch between a direct line to my amp and an alternate that goes through a preamp and then into the amp. It is noiseless, and has worked flawlessly for me. You can either split or combine signals from it. Battery power: only for the selected channel light. Not bad for $60! I'm using this for guitar, and am not sure if it would act any differently for a bass with active electronics.
 
Cheers!
Rob

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« Reply #41 on: December 08, 2005, 07:54:48 AM »
Thanks Rob!

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« Reply #42 on: December 08, 2005, 12:00:22 PM »
I've carried the discussion of the bad channel on my F-1X here.