Author Topic: Beginnings of a rig of doom (Read 613 times)

dannobasso · « **Reply #15 on:** June 07, 2007, 07:38:49 PM »

I am now running epi ul212, whappo jr w/f1x,sf2,plx3402. Can also use the epi t310.
Still have acme low b4 and epi t115 fer sale. (covers included)

good luck on your dream rig!

David Houck · « **Reply #16 on:** June 08, 2007, 06:55:34 AM »

Bradley; go with the Quartz!!

Bradley Young · « **Reply #17 on:** June 08, 2007, 07:08:11 AM »

Might be a little overkill in our 1500 square foot auditorium.

What could I pair it with and have a balanced sound? I'd anticipate the top end would need to be pretty substantial.

I don't know that I'm really serious about the quartz, but we'll see how cheap the bidding stays.

Bradley

keith_h · « **Reply #18 on:** June 08, 2007, 07:19:02 AM »

At 224 lbs it will be a lot to move. You will also need the INFRA controller which I don't see any indication of being included. But four 18's. Wow.

Keith

dannobasso · « **Reply #19 on:** June 08, 2007, 10:39:54 AM »

I heard this demonstrated at NAMM a few years ago by the wild eyed prez of the company. He got a kick out of how it can turn your lower gi to mush. If I had the space I would love to have that thing!

David Houck · « **Reply #20 on:** June 08, 2007, 10:43:29 AM »

Here's what I'm thinking. It's a no reserve auction with a low beginning bid. The number of people in the market for a 224 pound subwoofer that has to be shipped on a pallet by truck, and requires a dedicated controller, not included, and a lot of power, is probably limited. And if you like feeling those low notes at high volume that Chris Squire plays on his Taurus pedals on And You And I, then this may be a deal too good to pass up. However, practically speaking, there's no way I'm going to get that in my house.

keith_h · « **Reply #21 on:** June 08, 2007, 12:11:39 PM »

My gosh Dave your talking about getting it into your house. I would stop at getting it up that driveway of yours from the delivery truck on the road. LOL

Bradley Young · « **Reply #22 on:** June 08, 2007, 02:40:16 PM »

There is really something to be said for finally finishing the arms race between the Hammond player, the drummer and me.

224 Lbs isn't a big deal-- I won't have to move it much.

At 8 Hz, I'll bet I could talk to the whales in Puget Sound.

David Houck · « **Reply #23 on:** June 08, 2007, 03:06:27 PM »

ROFL! Thanks Keith!

mcrracer · « **Reply #24 on:** June 10, 2007, 02:30:11 AM »

http://www.billfitzmaurice.com/T39.html
http://www.billfitzmaurice.com/DR250.html
BFM
Bill Fitzmaurice Designs Loudspeakers put most commercially available cabs to shame. I am not affiliated with BFM just a very happy customer.
I have been playing bass for 35 years and tried many different cabs, high end and budget cabs. My DR250 blows them all away. Clean, clear, no distortion. Very efficient. You do not need thousands of watts to get an acceptable volume level. A couple of hundred real watts can cause pain. If the DR250 doesn't have enough low end add a Titan39 sub and rumble the Earth. There is nothing close to these that you can buy in stores for even twice the price.. Check them out.
Add whatever electronics you want. You want a rig of doom? Get two DR250s and two Titan39s. I would think that would be overkill for most venues any of us would play in.

Bradley Young · « **Reply #25 on:** June 10, 2007, 05:00:58 PM »

The Bill Fitzmaurice cabs seem really interesting; I'd really like to try one out.

Any builders/owners in the Seattle area that would be willing to loan one out on a Wednesday/Sunday evening?

As it sits, I'm tempted by:

Bag End, starting with a 2x10 and eventually adding an ELF sub. (When I grow up, I want to be like Keith!)

Acme, pair of 2x10s in stereo.

Bradley
The SF-2 should get here Tuesday.

tbrannon · « **Reply #26 on:** June 10, 2007, 05:17:16 PM »

Bradley-

The BFM cabs are indeed interesting- I posted here on the forum a few months back about these cabs (they're currently getting alot of attention on the Talkbass forum).

Here is a link to guys who build his cabs
http://www.billfitzmaurice.com/Builders.html
it doesn't look like there is a Seattle builder, but if you go to the forum on the Fitzmaurice website, I'm sure you'll find more than a few guys in the area who have his cabs and would love to have you demo them.

I've done a fair bit of reading on the cabs- from all accounts, they're much different and more refined than the old folded horn cabs of the 70's. From what I've read they are incredibly transparent and are painfully loud. Lots of bass players seem to not like them because they reproduce whatever you put in.... I think lots of guys play them and think they sound horrible- but it's probably a result of THEM sounding horrible. If the cabs are as accurate, loud and transparent as many claim them to be, I think they'd a very good pairing with Alembic.

I've meant to get up to Auckland and try out some cabs that a local builder has there- he even offered to let me take them into the Otara Markets for a Saturday concert we played recently. If you do try them, please let me know.

EDIT: Here is a link to the thread I started a few months back- I did get some feedback, but I can't help but think that perhaps alot of the feedback was formed from the old Acoustic/JBL folded horn designs of the 70's. The BFM cabs are intruiging

link to previous club thread

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David Houck · « **Reply #27 on:** June 10, 2007, 05:37:26 PM »

My usual setup is an Eden 210 XLT and an ELF sub. I actually prefer the tone of the Bag End 210. But at the moment, mine has a bad speaker that I haven't taken the time to get repaired. And the version I have, D10X-D, doesn't put out as much sound as the XLT. However, I haven't tried the new version, D10BX-D, which is a deeper cabinet with a lower frequency response. If I ever get that speaker fixed, I'll take the Bag End 210 on a gig and see how if performs along with the ELF.

I also have an Acme B-2. Personally I think the Acme outperforms the XLT and the Bag End on the low end, but the high end sound of the Acme doesn't do it for me. I used to run the Acme together with either the Eden or the Bag End 210, both full range, which resulted in a very nice sound. But with the ELF, I don't need to take the Acme out to get good low end.

hb3 · « **Reply #28 on:** June 10, 2007, 06:52:25 PM »

8 Hz? Is it even possible to hear that? I guess you'd feel it, though....

David Houck · « **Reply #29 on:** June 10, 2007, 08:46:51 PM »

I listen to the Songs From Tsongas DVD a lot. And I've wondered how low those pedals are going. The pictures I've seen of Taurus pedals show that the lowest note looks like a C; so I'm guessing that it's at 16.35 Hz.

The following is from Wikipedia:

The human ear can nominally hear sounds in the range 20 Hz to 20,000 Hz (20 kHz). This upper limit tends to decrease with age, most adults being unable to hear above 16 kHz. The ear itself does not respond to frequencies below 20 Hz, but these can be perceived via the body's sense of touch.}

This and other things I glanced at on the web suggest that you can feel frequencies below 20Hz and, I'm really guessing here, that you can hear them in that your brain translates these perceptions as sound.