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slammin

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Re: I Dont See The Point......
« Reply #90 on: July 26, 2010, 07:28:50 AM »
I think SC bashing is blasphemy.  Music is his medium to my own little world and if I were to judge Mr. Clarke by any means at all, it would be based on the music he creates and I definitely give him all the praise in the world for his gift to us.

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Re: I Dont See The Point......
« Reply #91 on: July 26, 2010, 09:31:15 AM »
Hugh, I would say it was any number of things that happened over at Stanley Clarke dot com.
 
But it also had something to do with the enthusiasm of the artist. Let me explain.
 
Stanley Clarke dot com was pretty much abandoned, and I believe the last time Stanley respond to anyone there (according to his system logs) was 2008. For me, that's a long time to not address your fans. But, I was fine with the notion because it was like our country club or barber shop for other other musicians, and myself to get together and hang out and talk about what? Music. It was much like here, but we got deep.
 
I really enjoyed hanging out over there, and it demonstrated how tolerant Stanley was, because again, it was a deep musical experience we all shared, it was peaceful, and I was able to gain a perspective from another point of views from people who understood where I was coming from with an urban black experience when talking about ROCK, SOUL, JAZZ, FUNK and GOSPEL too.  
 
At the time, I was working on a history piece on the FUNK, and how Disco almost killed the FUNK. While I read many points of views and other documents and works published, I was not satisfied, and I felt much of the readings were too apologetic and cut-up from the real oral history I would come to understand, and many of the musicians/bands are gone, and I wanted to know why, and what in the hell happened. So, on Stanley's site, I was given the spiritual support, to direct my energies to attempt to unravel the mysteries of what happened to the FUNK and who assisted in its demise.
 
So, as time marched on, Stanley's web staff had  made us aware, Stanley had collaborated with a social network, and was actively participating with fans, and there were plenty of blog space for integrating music, pictures and video, and best of all, you can talk to Stanley directly publicly and privately. As you could imagine, this was great news and 100% of my questions were related to his educational directions vs musical learning and theories. I also shared I was 100% about supporting the FUNK, and I showed Stanley my drawings of my basses and he also seen pictures of the finished product. Stanley ask me to write my blog on my bass. So, in the beginning, there was a lot of magic in the air because people from the industry were jumping on and adding their space to the network for the non-profit and charity activities I am involved.  
 
It was just a really cool place to hang out, and as my Funk blog was in full swing, Stanley would occasionally chime in on a particular area of the blog, and comment. Stanley was really supportive on my topics, and email me his thoughts. So, things were really cool, and I would continue to write, and weeks would go by, and it became a route to write more, but one day the whole site crashed. All the members who signed up, their accounts, and membership were completely lost and nobody knew why.  
 
All my work, and correspondences to other people and them to me, were completely wiped out just like that... Oh, my goodness I almost cried because there's nowhere you could learn, and had that many people to access at one time to get something done. Also I was getting ready to stage auditions for interested people to join my FUNK band as a non-profit arm to helping other during a time of need. (I now need horns...)  
 
From what I am told from a insider, Stanley was not happy about it at all. Because it was great for his music and dedications of his talent over so many years and anyone who would try to login, would be routed to Kelsey.com. That was just wrong.
 
It taken months to repair the site, but by the time the site was back up, the whole format was gone, and completely changed. The thrill was  gone, so I told everybody who were reading my blog updates, to go back to Stanley Clarke dot com and I promised myself I wouldn't leave Stanley's site and I felt I never should had left to the new site in the first place, because I deeply felt Stanley should just invest time in on his own web site... and I would had gladly stayed if Stanley was interactive on his original site.
 
So I went back, and pulled my notes from where I left off, but much of videos and pictures I had, been lost. So, as people started reading my work on the FUNK, things were cool.  
 
Something happened strangely, when Stanley toured at Yosh's in Oakland Ca, when Stanley allegedly (by witness/members account) walked over to a fan who was doing and say nothing, and Stanley snapped, and asked if the the guy was on drugs. As reported by one of members of Stanley's website also said it was pretty strange, because he said, he sat next to the guy, and their was nothing he could see, for Stanley to justify disrupting everyone's enjoyment and evening over something that was of a complete mystery. So, I don't know what to say... I got on the topic about the early beginnings, and history of the electric bass... and that's when things started to change for me, and I am sure, by this time Stanley was paying attention to what was being said on his website on the incident and probably everything else too. But instead of speaking on it, and shedding his light, Stanley never commented a word. So, I guess you just keep the mystery to these things, and only the people who were there, knows really what happened (so this becomes a oral history...) So, then it becomes a question of who you believe: a celebrity or an everyday person, but frankly, I was not there and my mind was on Monk, and I had questions on on my mind about Monk,  his life and time, and I was hoping Stanley would know something (he seems to know everything else...about the bass).  
 
However, we think we know something, but if we humble ourselves, we might just learn something we never known before...
 
I would mentioned Monk Montgomery, because Monk was the first electric bass player Leo Fender selected to play the Fender P, on a professional level. Monk was the first electric bass astronaut test pilot, and to me, that's news Stanley (with his PhD), never mentioned. I included this information in my blog and Monk's musical bass playing, and it sounded like Stanley Clarke, but in a primitive way. (...but hey, its earlier stuff) Monk innovations on taking the first electric bass to the front of the bands was his claim, and not Stanley's. People need to know the truth. So, of course I wanted to ask Stanley about what he knew about Monk, and had he ever lectured on this man any time in his musical career?  
 
Monk also played Upright with a bow and finger playing stlye. What was interesting, Monk is was the the first to apply an electric bass lead, with an acoustic bottom. Monk played the electric bass as a lead guitar player, and supported compositions with orchestras with this style.  
 
After coming to this understanding, I felt like my education was seriously hacked because, I never heard a mention of this guy named Monk before, but that's the value of my family's oral musical history. I asked Stanley why has he not mentioned this guy in his work, because Stanley sounds just like Monk.
 
Stanley never returned my questions, and all of a sudden, with no warning Stanley shuts down his site, and returns with a entirely new format and totally different perspective. I lost everything.
 
At this point, I just created my own blog not associated to any famous person nor market product push.  
 
Stanley's new content is basically 'BUY MY CD' and look at my cool pictures, and remember the good old days of RTF, and read without being too critical... and like -- 'check out this awesome bass line, and drool'.  
 
So, I come to the conclusion, I am not welcomed at Stanley's sites because of my questions. Stanley protecting his brand, but frankly, my questions were innocent to gaining a perspective of Stanley's thoughts on other bass players who I never heard him mention, and I didn't want to be left to draw my own conclusions when Stanley and I had already exchanged emails on what? Music.
 
It's just like when I announced the Toma_Hawk bass, as being the first Funk bass or the first time, anyone felt the need pay their respects of to the players who inspired me to want such a design in the first place. Stanley knows his bass, and he now knows mine too, but most importantly, the history behind it's creations is bigger than me, and came before me, but was finally manifested this year.  
 
Only a foot print in the sands of life, to fade away with an absolute certainty...  
 
#12, I am truly sorry for stretchin out the FUNK man, for you turned me on the Stanley's site.
Ladies and Gentlemen...
 
I bring you Monk Montgomery  
 
 
 
Peace and Love,
 
Hal-
 
(Message edited by toma_hawk01 on July 26, 2010)

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Re: I Dont See The Point......
« Reply #92 on: July 26, 2010, 12:51:22 PM »
Is that Chad & Jeremy I hear singing in the background?
 
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Re: I Dont See The Point......
« Reply #93 on: July 26, 2010, 02:47:08 PM »
I have to tell you, Hal, there are a few things in your last post that I find bothersome. I am also going to throw out some unsolicited advice of a technical nature that you probably don't need, especially after experiencing the effects.
 
The first statement that bothered me was the concept that Disco almost killed the FUNK. It may be that funk popularity began to wane as disco was on the rise, but to say one form of music could kill another is bogus. If music can stand, then it stands. If it evolves or loses popularity, that's the way of the world. If funk slipped to have less popularity and fewer proponents, it was because that was the taste of both the musicians and the listeners. Of course, all that is academic. What really bothered me was hearing such a statement form a guy who has been talking about peace, love and living in harmony.  
 
Now, for the unsolicited advice. First, I applaud your wish to express your own opinions and have control over them on your own blog site. Go to places like Stanley's site or here and occasionally reference your research on your own site. If people find it interesting, they'll come to your site to participate. No one will censor you on your own site, and people here or on SC's site can ignore it more easily if they so desire. If you really care about peace, then this is s good move.
 
Additionally, it's not a bad idea to periodically back up things that are important to you. Cut and paste or save the web page to have all the text. I'm sure you know this now, and probably did then, but we all get lax on stuff like this. We all love this site and count on it being here forever, but you never know what the future holds. If there's a thread or two with info you find supremely valuable, archive a copy of it someplace safe. I'm sure you'll be taking care of your blog in this regard.
 
As far as the Toma_Hawk being the first Funk bass, that's awfully presumptuous. There are a lot of players who came before you, a lot of players with different sizes and ergonomic preferences than you have. Some of them, I'm sure, would have played your bass and loved it. They may have said Wow, I could have done so much more if I had one of these 30 years ago! There'd also be quite a few who would say I can't play this thing, I don't get it. I'm glad it works for you, and that should be all that matters to anyone. I don't know if I would like playing a Toma_Hawk, I probably would, but I do love playing a small standard.
 
With regard to Stanley Clarke, I have appreciated the music he's made over the years, but never really cared what he thought about anything. At least not more or less than I care about the opinion of any other person with whom I do not have any personal attachment. On the facts, I can neither support nor refute your claims. What I can say is that I am uncomfortable as a customer of Alembic with someone using their club forums to bash a man who has been so connected with their products. That's another reason why I applaud your decision to take your thoughts on the matter to some site under your own control.
 
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Re: I Dont See The Point......
« Reply #94 on: July 26, 2010, 03:17:48 PM »
No comment. You win.
 
Peace and Love,
 
Hal-

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Re: I Dont See The Point......
« Reply #95 on: July 26, 2010, 05:28:43 PM »
It's deja vu, all over again.
 
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Re: I Dont See The Point......
« Reply #96 on: July 26, 2010, 05:38:53 PM »
No it's not.  
 
Like the man said, I have my own blog, and soon to be publishing my books on the FUNK very soon.
 
One last thing, I really enjoyed this discussion, and I felt really great to see everybody here in full effect with great comments! (I mean it too.)  
 
Peace and Love,
 
Hal-
 
(Message edited by toma_hawk01 on July 26, 2010)

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Re: I Dont See The Point......
« Reply #97 on: July 26, 2010, 06:33:01 PM »
Hal - I just hope the FUNK is not the smelly kind ... ;-)  God knows I've been on the receiving end of some not so good funk over the years, particularly after beans are involved ... ;-)
 
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Re: I Dont See The Point......
« Reply #98 on: July 26, 2010, 07:01:41 PM »
Unless you had a delightful and righteous experience consuming a syrup sandwich, (at your neighbors house) it is absolutely impossible for you to know the FUNK.
 
 
Peace and Love,
 
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Re: I Dont See The Point......
« Reply #99 on: July 26, 2010, 07:11:15 PM »
Hal - I know the funk, trust me.
 
True Story:  As a rifle platoon leader in A Company, 1st Battalion, 5th United States Cavalry, 2nd Brigade, 1st Cavalry Division during Operation DESERT STORM I can attest that the smells emanating from the crew compartment of a Bradley Fighting Vehicle full of soldiers who've eaten nothing but Meals, Ready To Eat (MRE) for weeks qualifies as funky.  I was in the turret, and of course there was a vacuum bringing these unpleasant, noxious fumes to my nose.  Trust me, I know what the funk is in that sense.  A syrup sandwich?  No comparison to weeks of MRE consumption if you ask me ... ;-)
 
Al

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Re: I Dont See The Point......
« Reply #100 on: July 26, 2010, 07:34:07 PM »
Yeah, ok.
 
I don't think you even come close to what I understand what The FUNK is all about.  
 
But at least I understand what you mean pretty clear.
 
Peace and Love,
 
Hal-

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Re: I Dont See The Point......
« Reply #101 on: July 26, 2010, 07:47:43 PM »
Geez, Hal, was just trying to bring some humor to the conversation.  Apparently, my efforts were misplaced.  Evidently, no one other than you knows what The FUNK is.
 
Best to you,
 
Al
 
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Re: I Dont See The Point......
« Reply #102 on: July 26, 2010, 08:11:59 PM »
And all the time I thought you would laughing with me on my message...
 
Peace and Love,
 
Hal-

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Re: I Dont See The Point......
« Reply #103 on: July 26, 2010, 08:28:59 PM »
Hal - as you've said previously, you win.  I'm out.
 
Al
 
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Re: I Dont See The Point......
« Reply #104 on: July 26, 2010, 11:02:24 PM »
Hal, you need to relax. This isn't a forum about FUNK, or you, or Stanley. Honestly man, if I had any interest in FUNK before you started this nonsense, you just killed it.  
( insert inane response from Hal about coffee or cookies or FUNK, and how each is superior to whatever it is the rest of us are doing ) .