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« Reply #75 on: September 25, 2015, 10:42:12 AM »
I've been meaning to post links to the National Music Museum in this thread ever since the topic of Gibson came up:
 
http://orgs.usd.edu/nmm/collect.html#ndx
 
(Note that guitars are listed in different areas, particularly under plucked musical instruments)
 
Here's a general listing of early Gibson acoustic guitars:  
 
http://orgs.usd.edu/nmm/PluckedStrings/Guitars/Gibson/GibsonGuitarChecklist.html
 
About 20 years ago, I read about a luthier who wanted to recreate the lyre mandolin pictured on Orville-era Gibson labels. He did a good job, considering he was working from a tiny photo. Within a few months, the real thing showed up:
 
http://orgs.usd.edu/nmm/PluckedStrings/Mandolins/Gibson/12000/GibsonLyreMandolin.html
 
I saw that instrument at Mandolin Bros. in a display case. Everyone agreed that it sounded awful.  
 
EDIT- this Gibson collectors' page has tons of awesome pictures unique to the site (the owner is a professional photographer)
 
http://www.oldgibson.com/
 
(Message edited by Ed_zeppelin on September 25, 2015)

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« Reply #76 on: September 25, 2015, 11:44:01 AM »
Love that site Ed_Zep!

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« Reply #77 on: September 25, 2015, 03:13:46 PM »
I meant to address a conundrum in your "Peggy" guitar, Greg.  Do you want to get rid of the scratched heart and name?  

  The reason I ask is because I saw Dan Erlewine give a demonstration of his method at an ASIA symposium, and I'll admit I was very distracted from being surrounded by the most exquisitly-crafted instruments on the planet.   Something to do with using something to break the surface tension of the damaged wood and injecting steam in (or more likely, at) the indentation made by Peggy's hapless suitor (in lieu of the indentation he had in mind, no doubt).   Dan Erlewine said something about controlling the area where the wood swells so that it comes level with the surrounding wood, lacquer intact.   Then a little [something] on the tippy-tip of a Q-Tip to "melt" and spread the lacquer back in place, at absolutely the correct tint. I think he used superglue somewhere, but I know he does that for missing finish.  Can you fill in the pieces? I hate it when I almost learn something. Oh well, as a married man, I do that a lot.  Here's my attempt at "finessing" Cletus' technique for regluing the bridge of a fifty dollar guitar.;    


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« Reply #78 on: September 26, 2015, 10:37:46 PM »
Oh, that is horrible...maybe the worst. Only thing close to that I've seen is an old Vantage 335 type guitar (although it had a pointy-strat type headstock) which developed a loose jack...rather than the owner fishing the guts out through the f-hole, they decided to open up that corner of the guitar with a JIGSAW...yeah, really. They fixed the loose stuff then epoxied the section back in with match packets to fill the gaps...I gave it to my old guitar player...and he used it for some time; something wrong with that boy...

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« Reply #79 on: September 27, 2015, 05:37:02 AM »
Where do you find this stuff Ed?! That's pretty bad, just... awful. FWIW, I think we got a few of Cletus' relatives running around this neck-o-th'-woods too. But that bridge job... that's 1st prize there man!  =)  
 
I took Peggy back home yesterday, good to go for a few more years. Next up, the guitar I loaned the young fella while I had Peggy in the shop. You vintage guys will get a kick outta' this one. :teaser:

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« Reply #80 on: September 27, 2015, 05:49:27 AM »
I think things like Peggy and the pickup mounting holes are what make these older instruments interesting. To me these are the things that showed they had/have a life and story to tell more than some closet queen will ever have. I have a couple of antique instruments where I know some of their backstory and what I've done is write it down and placed with them so it doesn't get lost.  
 
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« Reply #81 on: September 27, 2015, 08:13:53 AM »
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« Reply #82 on: September 28, 2015, 09:05:57 AM »
I don't think I'll bid on the gibson, I'll feel better if I finish a few before I take on more.
Any opinions on the old gretsch New Yorker F-hole acoustics? I have one in pieces (I think I have it all).
These are the ones with a stenciled sprayed logo.  
 
 Here's one for Ed Zep:


 
 
 
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« Reply #83 on: September 28, 2015, 10:07:26 AM »
I know the signs of a Magic Marker paint job when I see one. You can tell which strings were on when he did it.
 
Being fluent in moron, I know he did that because the hunk of metal he stole from his neighbor's chicken coop to splint that headstock was black, and he didn't want his workmanship to stand out. Humility, or just wanting to avoid those pesky explanations? You decide.
 
My favorite thing about those horrendous repairs is imagining the sounds. What does it sound like when your headstock snaps off in the middle of the 135th chorus of House of the Rising Sun? (Uncle dad threw a half-empty beer bottle at me an' tol' me t'play some Ernest Tubb, 'bout the time the floor slapped me upside the head.)  
 
What did it sound like when the bridge splits in half while you're driving a screw midway through it - he left the strings on, no doubt - and you just shrug and yell; mee-maw! Fetch the boat glue! And leave the damn screw sticking out? (Ah buttered that bolt real good and started to put another screw in the other end, but Judge Judy came on...)
 
The reason I like these monstrosities is because of the careful planning and attention to detail it takes to repair an instrument and leave no trace that I've done so.  
 
I like showing them to you guys, here, because Alembic strives for perfection in a similar manner, to combine disparate elements together so that it seems they were never apart.
 
And because I like laughing at morons. Especially the one writing this.
 
Here's one of my all-time favorites. I could look at it for hours. I'm not sure if it's genius or idiocy - or both - but I think it probably sounds AWESOME. (If it works at all.)  like putting your fist through a box of cornflakes, I imagine.
 
 
 
I love how everything wound up being off-center. Was it planned, or was he just wingin' it?

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« Reply #84 on: September 28, 2015, 10:26:43 AM »
^LOVE IT!^
 
Confession time - I too have covered a multitude of sins with nothing but a brown Sharpie pen. Doh!
 
I always wanted to ask Keavin, (serialnumber12), does Ol'#12 ride in the trunk of that fine machine, or the backseat?

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« Reply #85 on: September 28, 2015, 01:48:07 PM »
>>>>Only thing close to that I've seen is an old Vantage 335 type guitar (although it had a pointy-strat type headstock) which developed a loose jack...rather than the owner fishing the guts out through the f-hole, they decided to open up that corner of the guitar with a JIGSAW...yeah, really. They fixed the loose stuff then epoxied the section back in with match packets to fill the gaps...

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« Reply #86 on: September 28, 2015, 06:09:08 PM »
I've seen pix & write-ups on several Viva-Tones, but never a side shot or mention of the electronics; that is just the height of groovosity!
 
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« Reply #87 on: October 19, 2015, 08:50:32 PM »
A DY-98 was just listed: ebay

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« Reply #88 on: December 28, 2015, 03:42:19 AM »
Thought I'd revive this thread with another specimen from my vault of weird, but cool old stuff. This little guitar has been on loan to a co-worker to record with... he's been working on a finger-style guitar project featuring his own compositions using a variety of guitars. I have volunteered several of mine to the effort, but I am particularly glad to have this little fella back!  

 

 

 

  So, it's a George Washburn Model 1897, made almost certainly at the Lyons & Healy factory in Chicago around the turn of the century. (the *last* century that is...) From what I understand, the Model 1897 was replaced by Model 1905. The serial numbering system was particularly jacked-up on L & H or Washburn instruments, it?s like they just made up a numbering system that didn?t correspond to anything production-wise, and ran with it. Consequently, it?s near impossible to tell exactly when this guitar was made, but for what it's worth this one has the Model and Serial numbers stamped into the end of the headstock  (familiar, huh?) and also penned onto a paper label inside.  

 

   As you can see, Lyon & Healy made fairly high quality instruments, not quite on par with say, C.F. Martin & Co., but you can clearly see this guitar was meant to be direct competition to Martin?s popular Style 1-21. Brazilian rosewood sides and back, with a spruce top, cedar neck, ebony appointments? even the purfling and trim are very similar. The biggest structural difference is inside ? this guitar is braced laterally rather than X-braced, but even so, the work is meticulous and neat. Also note the carved bridge, with bone or ivory pins, and the higher quality tuning machines.  

 

 

 

   Maybe my favorite detail, check out this engraved inlay:  

 

 

   This little guitar?s story? I got it at the Old Fiddler?s Convention in Galax, Virginia probably 15 years ago? just a lucky find. It needed only some minor work to get it back to playing condition. No, it?s not extremely valuable, because the reality is that not many people play parlor guitars anymore, but what a totally cool little guitar in a well-preserved state. Don?t see many like it anymore.

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« Reply #89 on: December 31, 2015, 08:35:26 PM »
I have this old Harmony someone gave me. When I got it it had some horrible reddish finish on it and someone had cut the dovetail against the body and used a big-ass bolt to pull the neck back to lower the action...I could see it was all solid wood and thought it may be worth trying to save or at least I'd learn a lot trying. I removed the finish and redid in laquer, flattened out the bellied-up top, filled in the HUGE divots in the fretboard (whoever that cowboy was, I pity the wife-rough!) So I intended to remove the bolt and replace with a dowel to fill the hole and stabilize the neck...until my drill hit another dowel inside the neck heel which EXPLODED the heel and dovetail, breaking the fretboard at the 15th...so neck off, carved a new heel with dovetail and set the neck...alas, it still only would play cowboy chords as the action was still high even after shaving the bridge. I did however learn a lot in so doing this guitar and one day I might actually make it playable by 'slipping the block' as I ain't gonna touch that neck! it's hanging on a wall now, maybe one day...Tony