Author Topic: The Totally Miscellaneous non-Alembic Guitar and Bass Thread  (Read 4364 times)

ed_zeppelin

  • club
  • Advanced Member
  • *
  • Posts: 378
The Totally Miscellaneous non-Alembic Guitar and Bass Thread
« Reply #30 on: August 27, 2015, 08:05:37 AM »
Thank you! I just realized that guitar is fifty years old this year! Wow, my bridge rotated more than that by the time I hit thirty.
 
I couldn't really capture the degree of rotation. I shoulda got the end of the fingerboard, so you could see how those strings line up like ... a jet landing on an aircraft carrier? (See, I can't look at it without thinking; this sucker went through a war!) ...  
 
I can't pick it up without playing Friend of the Devil, come to think of it.  I've always wondered what song he actually played, and by extension who ripped it off and tried to pass it off as a hymn. Like how our national anthem was originally a drinking song that invoked an obscure heathen deity. (Look it up.)
 
A small but significant construction technique that shows Sadao Yairi's (the founder, Kazuo is his great-nephew) attention to detail: the rosette is made of hundreds of tiny colored sticks, arranged in a beautiful pattern (as seen end-on), that were then sliced off and inlaid around the soundhole.  
 
Every dot is the end of a stick, if you will. There is one infinitesimal variation - one little dot - out of place. See if you can spot it. (It's an ancient technique handed down to Spaniards from the Moors, by the way. Yairi didn't invent it, but probably went blind perfecting it.)
 
I'll record it. You gotta hear it. It sounds so full and bold, without any of that nasal barking so common in classical guitars. It sounds ... like ordinance going off on a hot night in the jung... Oh, never mind.

ed_zeppelin

  • club
  • Advanced Member
  • *
  • Posts: 378
The Totally Miscellaneous non-Alembic Guitar and Bass Thread
« Reply #31 on: August 27, 2015, 10:22:46 AM »
That Martin 00-18SC is really interesting. I know the basics about Martin body shapes and appointments, and part of the allure of pre-war instruments is because the X-bracing is different somehow. (I could never afford the Longworth book, is what it comes down to.)
 
It also has rounded shoulders on the upper bout, and there seems to be a little more real estate between the end of the fingerboard and the soundhole, compared with newer double-otts (as an idiot, I'm fluent in Jethro).
 
There's a theme here, I suspect. One thing your double-ott (what does SC mean?) and Elwood's no-name guitar have in common is a body shape somewhat similar to a Gibson B-25:
 

 
Your Martin has smaller upper bouts, I believe, and a little less real estate between the bridge and soundhole, I think.  
 
Fine with me. As a fingerpicker, I always thought B-25s were boomy in the 250k-500k zone, anyway. (Leo Kottke used them on his earliest albums, alternating with his Bozo guitars.)
 
Gimme an old OM with a C-1000 condenser mic pointed at the neck block from about a foot away. Fingerstyle heaven, I tell ya.
 
Maybe you can tell me why, since you own one. I've always wondered.

edwardofhuncote

  • club
  • Senior Member
  • *
  • Posts: 8017
The Totally Miscellaneous non-Alembic Guitar and Bass Thread
« Reply #32 on: August 27, 2015, 12:36:26 PM »
Regarding the rosette on your Alvarez... that used to be the mark of a fine Spanish guitar. As you pointed out, tiny little pieces of marquetry arranged like a symmetrical mosaic. There are a few makers that still do this.  
 
On my little guitar, CS is the designation for Custom Shop. GE is for Golden Era, which is their line of vintage reproduction guitars. They also have a top-shelf line dubbed Authentic Series which are made as direct copies from scans of source guitars in the company museum. As I understand it, they are 100% handmade, not pulled off the production line and finished by the Custom Shop.  
 
Martin is nothing if not organized. Most of their styles and models (as written by Longworth and Johnston) were clearly defined by the late 1800's, the famous X-brace having been perfected by the mid-1850's. The next big evolution of guitars really began in 1929 when a (plectrum) banjo player named Perry Bechtel suggested they build a guitar with a longer scale, and more frets accessible. Martin responded by altering their 000 body, making the body wider at each bout, but shorter/squatter in length, producing their first guitar with 14 frets clear of the body, and a solid faced headstock. (as opposed to the slotted headstock which was the standard of the time) This also changed the location of the X-bracing on the soundboard, altering the responsiveness to a more focused sound. The resulting guitar was called Orchestra Model or OM. The OM designation only lasted until late 1933/early 1934, and was re-branded 000. Simultaneously, in 1931 the Dreadnought guitar was developed from an old pattern used to make Hawaiin guitars for another company. (Oliver Ditson) In 1934, the Dreadnought simultaneously evolved from a 12-fret to a 14 fret body, and became what we now recognize as a regular guitar. All their models followed suit in the coming years, each getting the new 14 fret re-design. Though the 12-fret pattern never went away, it faded to somewhat obscurity until the 1960's... something about a folk boom, or so I read. =)  
 
Obviously, that's the short version of how/when/why the Martin body shapes changed.
 
My little 12-fret Custom 00 is a throwback to a brilliant, very transitional time. I designed it very much with the same mindset as when I was deciding how to do my Custom Alembic.

elwoodblue

  • club
  • Senior Member
  • *
  • Posts: 2784
The Totally Miscellaneous non-Alembic Guitar and Bass Thread
« Reply #33 on: September 04, 2015, 10:35:03 PM »
I had time to take some shots of the Alvarez GY-2T. (I'll make them bigger next time,they are compressed too much ).  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

  The Lacewood really shimmers in person. It's got a pretty sparkly sound too...very Jerry . ...gotta run now, or nothing gets done ;)

jazzyvee

  • club
  • Senior Member
  • *
  • Posts: 8701
  • Bass, Guitar, Preamps.
The Totally Miscellaneous non-Alembic Guitar and Bass Thread
« Reply #34 on: September 05, 2015, 01:32:46 AM »
Now at the other end of the guitar scale, here is something high tech that I came across this morning.  
 
http://pursuingtone.com/fusion-guitar-iphone-integration-amp-speakers-indiegogo/
The sound of Alembic is medicine for the soul!
http://www.alembic.com/info/fc_ktwins.html

bigredbass

  • club
  • Senior Member
  • *
  • Posts: 3032
The Totally Miscellaneous non-Alembic Guitar and Bass Thread
« Reply #35 on: September 05, 2015, 03:33:29 PM »
The terrific thing about the Fusion is that with those DiMarzio X2N pickups, they're hot enough that on a 5-set gig, they'll recharge your phone !
 
Joey

elwoodblue

  • club
  • Senior Member
  • *
  • Posts: 2784
The Totally Miscellaneous non-Alembic Guitar and Bass Thread
« Reply #36 on: September 05, 2015, 08:14:31 PM »
I felt bad about the tiny porn. I think my new resizing method will be better...bear with me,  

 


elwoodblue

  • club
  • Senior Member
  • *
  • Posts: 2784
The Totally Miscellaneous non-Alembic Guitar and Bass Thread
« Reply #37 on: September 05, 2015, 08:40:37 PM »
I think I'm on the right track- one more,
 
 

edwardofhuncote

  • club
  • Senior Member
  • *
  • Posts: 8017
The Totally Miscellaneous non-Alembic Guitar and Bass Thread
« Reply #38 on: September 06, 2015, 06:32:07 AM »
What is that wood? Looks a little bit like quilted sycamore...

elwoodblue

  • club
  • Senior Member
  • *
  • Posts: 2784
The Totally Miscellaneous non-Alembic Guitar and Bass Thread
« Reply #39 on: September 06, 2015, 06:38:39 AM »
Lacewood...
Now I need to google quilted sycamore.

elwoodblue

  • club
  • Senior Member
  • *
  • Posts: 2784
The Totally Miscellaneous non-Alembic Guitar and Bass Thread
« Reply #40 on: September 10, 2015, 11:19:54 PM »
I see the gremlins ate the last pic.
That's ok ...I have more  
 

edwardofhuncote

  • club
  • Senior Member
  • *
  • Posts: 8017
The Totally Miscellaneous non-Alembic Guitar and Bass Thread
« Reply #41 on: September 14, 2015, 10:04:31 AM »
What a weekend... I played Friday, Saturday, and Sunday, got home a little after midnight and still managed to get in to work on time this morning. =)   The last leg of this road trip I got to play a show with my cousin, who is as crazy about vintage Gibson guitars as I am about vintage Martins and Alembics. Here's a couple of his go to axes... a 1943 Southern Jumbo, in correct, but restored condition, and an all-original 1944 J-45. I can't imagine two guitars made so close together and constructed so similarly to sound any more different than these... it's night and day, black and white, take your pick.   Let's see who here has a guess why that might be.    



 




cozmik_cowboy

  • club
  • Senior Member
  • *
  • Posts: 7338
The Totally Miscellaneous non-Alembic Guitar and Bass Thread
« Reply #42 on: September 14, 2015, 11:45:55 AM »
Well, obviously, it's the inlays.....
 
 
Peter
"Is not Hypnocracy no other than the aspiration to discover the meaning of Hypnocracy?  Have you heard the one about the yellow dog yet?"
St. Dilbert

"If I could explain it in prose, i wouldn't have had to write the song."
Robt. Hunter

mtjam

  • club
  • Senior Member
  • *
  • Posts: 516
The Totally Miscellaneous non-Alembic Guitar and Bass Thread
« Reply #43 on: September 14, 2015, 12:54:32 PM »
Neck woods? One is maple and the other is mahogany?

mavnet

  • club
  • Advanced Member
  • *
  • Posts: 218
The Totally Miscellaneous non-Alembic Guitar and Bass Thread
« Reply #44 on: September 14, 2015, 03:59:51 PM »
72 years of cigarette smoke aging?