Author Topic: Rogue Electronics (Read 280 times)

basstone · « **on:** December 13, 2011, 09:45:17 AM »

I have a Rogue 5 String and was wondering if anyone has a detailed description of what the electronics do and how they operate?

xlrogue6 · « **Reply #1 on:** December 13, 2011, 09:49:09 AM »

Right here...
http://club.alembic.com/Images/16271/16370.html?1307059050

basstone · « **Reply #2 on:** December 13, 2011, 10:27:24 AM »

Thanks for the quick reply. I guess what I was really looking for was a thread on how to best utilize the Q switch and filter to adapt to different styles. I tend to reach for my amp sooner than changing the controls on my bass. Or I'll just grab my jazz bass for some songs.

xlrogue6 · « **Reply #3 on:** December 13, 2011, 01:45:46 PM »

Personally, I run my Rogue with the bass and treble switches in the center, Q off, and the filter up all the way, and use the pickup blend for tonal variation. On occasion when I want a Jaco-esque bridge PU tone I'll turn the Q on and roll the filter back to where it's boosting somewhere in the 600-800 Hz region. Once in a while I'll also use the boost position of the bass switch while doing this. When I'm going for vintagey fingerstyle tone I'll either use the cut position of the treble switch or roll off the filter (with the Q off) just a bit.

(Message edited by xlrogue6 on December 13, 2011)

basstone · « **Reply #4 on:** December 13, 2011, 04:03:03 PM »

OK, makes sense to me.. If you were to take a guess how far back on the filter to get the 600-800Hz region. Is there any other occasions where you would engage the Q? Also how would you get a fat punchy sound for slap?

xlrogue6 · « **Reply #5 on:** December 13, 2011, 04:16:12 PM »

Rolling the filter off by about 1/3 or a bit more gets you to 6-800--your ear will tell you when you're there. For slap, filter up full, Q switch on, bass boost (or not) according to personal taste.

basstone · « **Reply #6 on:** December 13, 2011, 04:40:12 PM »

So if you want to back the mids out a bit more for slap would you turn to the amp? I am always trying to get that unique punch sound for slap.

hieronymous · « **Reply #7 on:** December 13, 2011, 04:54:50 PM »

The smiley-face curve (bass & treble boosted, mids cut) is kind of a standard approach to slap. I would think you could achieve that by boosting the bass with the bass switch and setting the filter almost all the way up. So I would boost the bass the way you want for your non-slap playing at the amp, then use the controls on the bass when it's time to thwack away with your thumb. I don't have a Rogue so I don't have any experience with the bass and treble switches. But you can have a lot of fun with the filter frequency!

When I got my first Alembic (a Spoiler/Exploiter), my favorite sound was with the filter all the way open. But I realized that a lot of more subtle sounds can be had by emphasizing frequencies closer to the midrange. I think this is what Stanley Clarke does a lot - my assumption was that he was cranking the treble but when I listen to albums I hear a much lower frequency, warmer perhaps?

adriaan · « **Reply #8 on:** December 13, 2011, 11:28:54 PM »

To a degree, the smiley-curve comes free with a neck-through instrument. Keep the pickup blend at or around the center detent: while this is fairly neutral sounding for regular finger-style, I find it sounds pretty punchy for slap. The blend about halfway towards the neck pickup does add girth. If your amp has an aural exciter type of control, turn it off to improve the coherency in your sound

basstone · « **Reply #9 on:** December 14, 2011, 10:54:12 AM »

My amp is a David Eden WT 500 Highwayman into a 410 cab and a 215 cab. Eq somewhat flat, 50% compression and 75% enhance. The enhance kind of makes the smiley face eq curve more pronounced as you increase. Sweet sound, just want to maximize the punch with articulation.

adriaan · « **Reply #10 on:** December 14, 2011, 11:46:36 AM »

The enhance is similar to an aural exciter which is what you'll find on an SWR. To my ears, adding this effect makes the sound lose its focus (suggesting the circuitry is not true to phase). If you turn up the volume with a generous amount of the effect, the lows become pretty uncontrolled. So I would suggest that you turn the enhance off completely, and first try to get the sound using the regular eq section. Better still, set up the tone without the compression, then see how far you can get with your technique, and add just as much compression as needed. Give your ears some time to get used to the difference

keith_h · « **Reply #11 on:** December 14, 2011, 03:16:41 PM »

I use an Eden Navigator. For the most part I use the Enhance as an effect for when I want to slap or get a pronounced high end. In general you want to keep the Enhance at a maximum of 9 to 10 o'clock. I have mine at about 9:30. The best place to start is with the Enhance off and the tone controls set flat. Then use the semi-parametric section to fine tune your basic tone. Remember that subtraction works better here than addition. Once things are where you like it tweek the bass and treble controls to suit you. I have found that I like the treble set flat and a touch of bass, maybe 1 o'clock. This is all done with the bass guitar filters set wide open and Q switches off. After doing this I can then vary my tone with the filters a Q switches to get a full range of tones from bright to mhaw to deep bass and not have to touch the preamp other than turn Enhance off and on.

Keith

edwin · « **Reply #12 on:** December 14, 2011, 11:16:13 PM »

Ah, yes, the magic knob. It's been discussed a fair amount. It turns out that Phil Lesh likes his turned up to 100% and then he adds the mids back with other EQs. Personally, mine doesn't seem to go past 8:30 these days.

basstone · « **Reply #13 on:** December 15, 2011, 07:06:50 AM »

I find the enhance does sound much better to me when I'm 5 to 10 ft away from my amp but how about 30 to 50 ft. Whats your thoughts when the signal goes through the PA? I usually do smaller venues. My PA is 2 Mackie 1530's, 2 Mackie 1501 subs, and jbl passive full range towers.