Author Topic: Jimmy "Flim" Johnson  (Read 76298 times)

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« Reply #1515 on: May 30, 2020, 09:13:50 AM »
It's interesting to read/listen to stories like this and see how the minds of different musicians work... "differently" (as one might expect).  Some, like Allan, strive for both live music and anything released to be as close to perfection as possible. I've found others with whom I've conversed tell me that live is meant to be just that, "live" whether that's a great show, a good one, or a concert that's lacking. They really aren't bothered by mix-ups and "quirks" that occur because that is what makes things live. And sometimes, those quirks lead to amazing bouts of creativity. (WARNING SIDE STORY COMING).


I remember attending a Keith Jarrett concert years ago at Tanglewood in the Bershire Mtns (really hills) of Massachusetts. It was a solo effort and the way they had Jarrett's grand piano set up and venue's acoustics resulted in his having to compete for presence on the sound stage with a massive flock of birds up in the rafters. At one point, the technical people stopped the concert and attempted to shoo the birds away.  Almost immediately Jarrett stopped them and had a conversation. They then proceeded to set up some additional mics so the audience could hear the birds more clearly...and for the remainder of his sets Jarrett played off what the birds were singing.


At least the story Jimmy related was one in which the band knew it was going to be videotaped. All too frequently this isn't the case today and the artist then has no control over his/her output. Given the ease of recording video and audio it's just about impossible to stop people from recording just about anything (except when one visits U.S. Embassies in foreign countries where they basically take everything you have with you except your underwear and make you leave it at the gate)


I can certainly empathize with Jimmy's situation of having camera crew running around on stage and disrupting things (though in my situation its more likely to be dancers who are letting a bit too much "loose" or drunks) and for the artist to have control over how anything he/she produces is used, put to use, or stored in a vault never to see daylight again. But as in Holdsworth's situation, none of us are permanent and eventually (though I hope it wont be for a long while) other people are going to have control over what we leave here on earth (sometimes even before we leave said earth). That pertains not only to artists like Allan and Jimmy but really to anyone who produces what might be referred to as "intellectual property." As a psychologist, whose work primarily focuses on supporting people with intellectual disabilities to live self-determined, high quality lives, I've developed a number of tools intended to be used to support these outcomes. Unfortunately, in a few cases, I found sometimes years later, organizations and individuals have appropriated and misused them to create additional barriers for such people. And, of course, this has become even more complicated by the fact that today it is so easy to "share" information (ANOTHER SIDE STORY)


I recently did a presentation at a conference on some of the work I am doing with my colleagues and after the presentation discovered an e-mail requesting additional information about the work. When I checked the time stamp I found that the e-mail had been sent during, not after my presentation AND, the person who sent it was not at the conference but thousands of miles away. When we eventually connected, I learned that a colleague of the individual had videoed and taken still shots of parts of the presentation on her smart phone and forwarded hem to her colleague.


So the fact is, while technology has made life a lot easier, we are going to need to adjust our ideas about what constitutes fair use sharing and make sure we leave a paper/electronic trail of what we want done with the intellectual property we produce once we are no longer around (and not assume that even our our loved one's are going to view the release of such intellectual property in the manner in which we intend.


For those of you who made it this far...thanks for reading this rant. Writing it took my mind off some of the angst I'm experiencing with respect to what's been going on in the city in which I live (Minneapolis) for the last few days.       



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« Reply #1516 on: May 30, 2020, 12:12:31 PM »
Brian,

Thanks for the long and insightful post.  Sorry about what's happening in Mpls.  I've been hearing the reports from my brother.  With the world in solitary confinement (lockdown) and so many jobs being lost, it seemed inevitable that something was gonna blow.  The terrible incident which happened to take place there was the trigger, this time.  We're all looking forward to a calmer time and getting out from under this pandemic cloud...

I think "intellectual property" is a bygone concept.  As in "bye - gone".  As you pointed out about the ease of making cellphone video recordings - nothing is completely "live" for those in attendance only.  The people in attendance feel the need (and that they have the right) to share.  So who owns your presentation's graphics, or the musical performance, or the rights to the compositions and publishing?  That's pretty much gone. 

Our own forum's thread "What are you listening to" is never just text, it's always links to (mostly) YouTube videos.  Because music is free! 

I'm old.  But I feel fortunate to have lived in a time when music was a more viable business and even us sidemen could make a living at it.  I have no idea what to tell people just starting out in music.  If you have that creative thing, you need to find an outlet for it.  But you should probably also have a regular job to support the habit.

Too dark?  Sorry!  There's still a great deal of beautiful and creative music being made every day and in every genre.  And I also use YouTube to go on fantastic musical journeys which would never have been possible in the past.  But I still buy records on iTunes when I want to support an Artist's work.  Yeah, I'm really old.

Cheers,
Jimmy J

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« Reply #1517 on: May 30, 2020, 06:28:47 PM »
Wow, Jimmy J, like Rusty said, the story behind the scenes is a privilege to know. A train wreck for you guys would be a victory to the rest of us. Al was a Mozart ; A talent seen maybe once every 500 years. But unlike Mozart, mankind gets to experience that level of musical genius this time because WE WERE THERE !!!!!
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« Reply #1518 on: May 31, 2020, 07:30:10 AM »
... And I also use YouTube to go on fantastic musical journeys which would never have been possible in the past.  But I still buy records on iTunes when I want to support an Artist's work ...


Jimmy; thanks for sharing your thoughts on a subject I think about often.  I value your perspective and insight, and they contribute to my own consideration of these issues.

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« Reply #1519 on: May 31, 2020, 08:56:19 AM »
Echoing Rusty's and others sentiments... I love the detailed stories Jimmy J. I've got a buddy here in Roanoke, like you, a lifelong professional sideman and topnotch player, though his instrument is mandolin. Couple times a year I'll try to meet up with him for lunch somewhere just for those road stories. (he's got hundreds of 'em!)

I know we embarrass you sometimes, but it's just a side-effect. We really do look up to your musicianship and the humility shown in response just proves you're the real deal. Thanks for all your contributions here.

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« Reply #1520 on: May 31, 2020, 10:37:51 AM »
+1 on the thankyous!

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« Reply #1521 on: May 31, 2020, 10:40:54 AM »
+2 on the thankyous!

I kind of wish I had watched the video before reading the backstory, but it was still fascinating. Jimmy, there's a scene early on where the camera is right below you - I wonder if they stepped on anything then?!!

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« Reply #1522 on: May 31, 2020, 12:42:59 PM »
Thanks for the kind words my friends, nice bunch of folks in here.  I wish I had a better memory or had written down more details of my gigs and experiences.  I've got friends who seem to remember every venue, backstage, and whether of not the food there was any good.  It all kind of runs together for me apart from a few specific experiences.

Michael B, I agree that Holdsworth was one of the very small number of players who really did change their instrument.  I realized many many years ago that I was never going to be one of those "savant" types who reinvent music.  But having known Allan (and Jaco a bit) I decided I was completely happy trading that for being able to live and enjoy a semi-normal life...

Hang in there eveybody,
Jimmy J

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« Reply #1523 on: May 31, 2020, 04:32:36 PM »
It is unfortunate that their are people whose gift is so totally consuming, that while you're in awe of the supernatural depth of talent, they're ill-equipped for the mundane every day, much less handling a business based on that talent.  I've been close to a few, and it's painful to watch.  They miss so much that life has to offer away from the bandstand.

I must admit that these days, I am completely overwhelmed. 

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« Reply #1524 on: June 07, 2020, 10:36:34 AM »
Many happy returns Jimmy J!

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« Reply #1525 on: June 07, 2020, 11:58:27 AM »
Thanks for the kind words my friends, nice bunch of folks in here.  I wish I had a better memory or had written down more details of my gigs and experiences.  I've got friends who seem to remember every venue, backstage, and whether of not the food there was any good.  It all kind of runs together for me apart from a few specific experiences.

Sound kind of like what they say about the 1960’s.  If you can remember the 60’s you weren’t there!

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« Reply #1526 on: June 08, 2020, 08:49:02 AM »
Happy Birthday! (though it might have been yesterday, in which case Happy Belated Birthday!) Not sure if you heard from Leonardo Pavkovic, he posted some nice words on Facebook:



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« Reply #1527 on: June 08, 2020, 10:35:59 AM »
Bill tgo, yeah, I wish I could say it was because of a certain self-induced haze but it's just the poor long-term storage issues of my natural brain...  If I could only change the CMOS battery...

Harry, Leonardo is a great guy and pleasantly verbose (love the "shoes" comment).  He basically kept Allan working through his last several years by acting as his manager - an absolutely impossible job.  But Leo's enthusiasm and love of fusion music from an early age meant he just hung in there and kept trying to help.  Allan never seemed to understand all he did for him and in the end his paranoia of authority (record companies, managers, booking agents...) got the better of him and the relationship ended badly.  Luckily Leo has moved on and is still working and helping many of his favorite musicians.

Cheers,
Jimmy J

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« Reply #1528 on: June 08, 2020, 10:38:05 AM »
Ah, yet another shelter-in-place birthday!   Have a great one, Jimmy.  Stay safe and healthy!

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« Reply #1529 on: June 08, 2020, 10:44:08 AM »
Happy Birthday, Jimmy J and cheers to another trip around the sun ! - Michael B.
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