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« on: September 17, 2013, 06:13:16 PM »
Saw this on a search on line and wondered if this is ok to put bass and treble series outputs into the F1-x like in this picture.

 
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« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2013, 06:20:44 PM »
From the manual:  
Two instruments may be played simultaneously by using
both jacks, the signals will be equally weighted.
 
Pretty much the same as using the Mono out into one input I think...
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« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2013, 10:49:03 PM »
cool! I didn't know that was a feature of the f-1x.!

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« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2013, 02:50:37 AM »
Well I haven't tried it yet,as i thought it might be going out on a limb or damage something. But if it says so in the manual then I guess I will try it tonight.  
Pretty much the same as using the Mono out into one input I think...
Hmm should be better as the individual outputs are stronger in stereo out of the DS-5 than taking them from the combined mono signal jack. So maybe I will get the full signal from each pickup through my rig that this way.
 
Something to try out after work this evening.  
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« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2013, 08:16:36 AM »
I suspect you will get exactly the same results.  The F-1X's two inputs are probably summed with resistors just like the mono out of the DS-5R.  (Mica?)
This setup might look cooler though!
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« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2013, 04:21:31 PM »
Yep Jimmy J you are absolutely right sounds pretty much the same.  
it looks cool in that picture but my leads are a bit long so I just need to make up some short leads to keep things tidy now.  
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« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2013, 06:28:38 PM »
I think this would work better with a F-2B.
 
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« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2013, 08:15:58 PM »
I agree with Bill . I can see an expansion of functionality used with an F-2B . With an F-2B one could have the benefit of the  discrete dual channel function as well as the the mixed channels from the mono output.

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« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2013, 08:32:10 PM »
With the 2 p/ups going into the single-channel preamp, what would this do except require you to buy one more cable?  I'm confused.....
 
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« Reply #9 on: September 19, 2013, 02:11:19 AM »
jazzyvee..go to Maplins, they have short patch leads at a reasonable price(all in different colours!, bLue to the Left, Red to the Right)

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« Reply #10 on: September 19, 2013, 04:32:02 AM »
You are right Peter, Wolf & Bill, so that leads me to a different scenario. Ultimately I'm looking for another F1-x so I can eq each pickup individually. However I haven't seen any on this side of the pond that have been at the right price yet. :-)
 
So I'm looking at how to get the best of the two outs before that time comes.  
How does this scenario sound then? I currently use my SF-2 in the send and return path of the F1-x so if I took that out, took the bass and treble to separate channels on the SF-2 then put the SF-2 outs into two inputs on the F1-x.  I would then have the option to process both signals separately using the SF-2 then get the signals back to mono by going through the front of the F1-x. Would that be a better use of my setup?
Would I be in danger overloading the F1-x by putting the SF-2 in front of it?
 
I'd still need one more cable though. :-)
 
Terry C, I have some of those in my guitar pedal board so will pinch one from there. :-)
 
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« Reply #11 on: September 19, 2013, 10:28:04 AM »
Does it even out the additive boost when you switch from one to two pickups in mono mode? Other than that I see no reason for it.
 
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« Reply #12 on: September 20, 2013, 08:02:58 PM »
Some real funny things about this......
 
1) That was my rig.  Seriously.  My rig, my picture.
2) I read through all the posts in this thread about balancing outputs and my mind went numb.  I'm sort of a luddite when it comes to signal processing.
3) You can't tell from the picture, but one F-1X output went to the Crown, the other went to a GK1001RB and a separate set of speakers.  I used the outputs from the back of the F-1X to connect to the two amps.  Typically, one line was clean, the other line had some minimal effects (chorus, envelope filter).  Sometimes at home I would send both outputs to the Crown because plugging into the second amp was just a teeny tiny bit of overkill.  
 
At one point I got a second F-1X so that I could really differentiate the tones going to each amp (the Crown and the GK100RB).  Eventually I sold both F-1Xes because I don't think I was getting good use of them.  They were more than I needed or could handle.  
 
I also significantly downsized my total rig(s).  Sold off both 85 lb SWR Triads and both Goliath Jrs.  Everything in this photo EXCEPT the DS-5R and the tuner got sold, as well as the GK 1001RB.  Then  I bought a MarkBass Combo and a MarkBass 2X10 extension cab.  So I can play them together through the MarkBass combo amp or use a GK MB500 amp with the extension speaker and split the Series I or II signal between the MarkBass Combo and the GK MB500/2X10.  Again, one side clean, the other with effects.
 
That's what's going on in this photo.  The MarkBass 2X10 with the GK MB500 is just barely out of the picture...stage left of the acoustic.
 
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« Reply #13 on: September 20, 2013, 08:42:36 PM »
Not to be nit-picky, but stage left of the acoustic would be the blonde.  As directors give instructions to actors from the house, left and right are the from the director's perspective (because, well, he's The Director, and don't you forget it!); stage right & stage left are directions from the actor's perspective, facing the house. Thus, to the guitarist's left (our right) is stage left; I think your cab is left, not stage left.
 
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« Reply #14 on: September 20, 2013, 10:00:53 PM »
Ok then......stage right it is.
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