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« Reply #15 on: August 08, 2004, 08:40:57 AM »
Kevin,
many thanks for your mail.
Unfortunately no news regarding a new job.
Hard times in Germany at the moment.
So anybody out there wanna offer me a job
in the music industry?   :-)
I am willing to move......
I will take a look to find more photos....
 
Oliver (Spyderman)

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« Reply #16 on: August 08, 2004, 08:59:34 AM »
Hi Tom:
 
First, to the extent you are considering anything about Phil's sounds, the Godfather was a short scale.  I'm not certain, but I believe his solid body Alembics were short or medium as well.  Even his current Modulus 6 is a 34 - not a 35 like the standard - something I learned they will not build for just anybody (I asked).  
 
In a 4 string, the 32 inch scale is just about a stubby-fingered guy's dream from an ease of play standpoint.  The strings are definitely looser, but not to the point of affecting technique - other than making bends very easy and particularly controlable (due to the lesser distance you push the string and the lighter string tension).  
 
Some of our long and extra-long scale afficionatos should definitely weigh in on sound (I'd value Val's input particularly, since he has a definite opinion).  If you were going the flatwound route, I've always characterized the short scale (30.75) and true short scale (like the Guilds and Gibsons - 30 even) as a bit hooty on the highs and mids and more like a longer scale on the low end.  
 
The medium (32) scale represents a sonic compromise that I particularly like - stringier like the long scales, but a bit punchier like the shorts.  My new bass is a medium and I've had it set up with TI flats, so I could tell you more when it arrives.  But prior to this, I had a 32 Spoiler and loved the feel and the sound.  Given the number of Spoilers and Distillates out there among members who also have long and longer scale Alembics.
 
All that said, I've found it's very hard to get a real feeling of comfort and understanding about scale length without trying it yourself.  Do you have access to any short or medium scale basses (preferably Alembics)?
 
Bill

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« Reply #17 on: August 08, 2004, 09:03:16 AM »
Guys,
here is another shot of Phil Lesh with the particular bass. What makes me a bit wondering are the white P-bass style pickups (early DiMarzios?)
 
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« Reply #18 on: August 08, 2004, 09:43:18 AM »
Hi Bassman,
 Ive owned a Brown bass before and did definitely like the 30 inch scale, but... what I found to be a bit of a problem was with spacing of the frets as I played higher up the neck, (it was a bit tight for me) I dont really have stubby fingers.
I currently have a 78 fender J and a 35 inch scale Roscoe SKB3006 and like I said Im not exactly a tall person but my hands are very comfy on the Roscoes wide neck.
I have never played a 32 inch scale before but as long as the spacing of the frets are not as tight as a 30 in scale I think this would be a happy medium.
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« Reply #19 on: August 08, 2004, 10:03:55 AM »
Kevin K (of July's Monthly Custom) said he ordered his new bass in a 34 because his previous Alembic (a 32) made him feel crowded in the upper registers.  You might ask him for his perspective.
Bill

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« Reply #20 on: August 08, 2004, 10:30:43 AM »
Thanks Bassman10096, maybe Ill drop him an email as I get closer to ordering.
 
Just to update in case anyone else has any comments:
 
Tribute Bass
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? Orion 4 string 3200  
(32 inch or 34 inch scale????)  
 
? Epic/Orion electronics N/C (or) essecnce & Q  
 
Woods for carved top, depending on price:
1st choice: Cocobolo upgrade (Aug. Special)
OR
2nd choice: (Dark) California Walnut
 
both with ash body
 
Flat top:
1st choice: Walnut top with walnut body & Maple accent outline around body shape
2nd choice: Cocobolo N/C Aug. Special,  
with an ash body & maple accents
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? Custom Body Shape????
 
? Ash Body 100 (or) N/C?
? Walnut Body 200
 
? Crown Headstock 200  
 
? MOP inlays N/C  
 
? Brass Backplates 75  
 
? Bird Shape Bridge  
 
? Maple Accent Laminate N/C  
 - Tom
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« Reply #21 on: August 08, 2004, 10:34:24 AM »
one other thing... would anyone know what a walnut top and walnut body would sound like?  
Im supposing there is a reason why this seems not to be a very popular option.
thanks for everyones help!!!!
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« Reply #22 on: August 08, 2004, 11:50:24 AM »
Well, first important thing you need to reconsider is your wood choices.  Since you're choosing a set-neck model, your body/top woods are going to have more impact on your tone than they wouldd in a through-neck bass.  If you go with the ash body, I think that means less deep bass and more midrange.  Your cocobolo top would be really helpful on this bass.  The most Alembic sounding wood combination will probably be cocobolo over mahogany or vermillion.  Moving to the Essence model will probably cost you about a $400 upgrade charge to get the through neck, and then it won't matter quite so much.  
 
This all comes back to your priorities.  The key factors seem to be price, feel, tone, and appearance, in whatever order they matter to you.  Then you have to consider that these are all subjective concepts, so my preferences won't necessarily match yours.  I think you know what yo uwant the bass to look like and what you want to pay.  I don't think you have represented as well your preference for feel or tone.  You seem to be a Dead fan, so I would think the more traditional Alembic tone would please you more than a Fender Jazz.  While an Alembic in ash wouldn't sound like a Fender, it would be more in that direction than I would want to go for myself.
 
With regard to scale length and body size, I doubt the Tribute body is any smaller than a small standard body, and it's probably a bit larger.  It's certainly thicker.  You may be able to use the regular Tribute body size with a medium scale bass neck, especially in four string with Jazz-bass spacing.  They could tell you better, but I think that might balance out pretty well.  
 
Who knows, maybe I am nuts.  Thin kabout all this stuff, validate what seems important to you, and make your own decisions.  It's your money and it will be your instrument.  Best of luck!

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« Reply #23 on: August 08, 2004, 12:02:58 PM »
I am going to try and keep this as simple as possible, Im just trying to isolate what I really want, But I can see Im already starting to overthink it.  
 I am a Dead fan but Im not nesseceraly going for that tone. for myself  Im playing Jazz/Rock and Electronica.
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« Reply #24 on: August 08, 2004, 04:30:27 PM »
That headstock with the eagle is the Irwin logo. Id say he built that bass, whether he did it while working for Alembic(with others) or not would not be something Id know, but thats his logo.

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« Reply #25 on: August 08, 2004, 05:39:12 PM »
I suspected it was the eagle, but didn't look carefully at the pix that were posted later.  That would make sense chronologically in relation to the Irwin guitar Garcia is playing.  
 
I think Phil also appeared with the Dead on Saturday Night Live playing this bass in 79 or 80.  
 
Bill

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« Reply #26 on: August 08, 2004, 07:32:27 PM »
Hi Tom,
 
I don't know what walnut-on-walnut would sound like, but walnut front and back laminates on mahogany sound great! Check out Jimmy Johnson's Series II on either of James Taylor's DVDs, Live at Beacon Theatre, or Pull Over. More low end than you can shake a stick at!
 
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« Reply #27 on: August 09, 2004, 07:21:24 AM »
Hey Thanks rraymond!
Im sure alot of that has to do with the series II electronics but I will check it out.
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« Reply #28 on: August 09, 2004, 02:11:19 PM »
Hello Tom,
 
an Orion does not come standard with Mother Of Pearl inlays, they are an extra 200$; the bird tailpiece is also an extra 200$; the orion normally features a half moon tailpiece.
 
Custom body shapes start at 600$, and a Tribute style bass shape would be 1200$. The ash body is no charge. Upgrading an Orion to Essence electronics is 250$.  
On a tribute shaped bass the top would have to be double the thickness; on a custom instrument the special takes care of only one standard laminate of Coco Bolo; so, on this instrument, instead of 2000$, this month a Coco Bolo top would come to a 1000$. A California walnut double-thick top would be 400$.
A case for this instrument would have to be custom ordered, and unfotunately we get charged double for custom cases, which means that our customers do too; in this instance the charge would be 450$.
 
Valentino

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« Reply #29 on: August 09, 2004, 02:17:42 PM »
Hi Valvil,
Thanks for setting things straight.
Alas this beauty is not  ready to be born (at least to me, at this point)
back to the drawing board.
 - Tom
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