Author Topic: Essence body + Series pickups and humcanceller and preamp + SF-2?  (Read 353 times)

effclef

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Here's a wild custom idea. I guess it would only be Ron who could decide if it could even be possible.  
 
Here is my laundry list of features:
 
Essence body size and shape
 
Series pickups and humcanceller
 
pickup preamp and humcancelling portion of Series electronics only
 
internal 9V batteries to run the above
 
side mounted 1/4 stereo output jack
 
ships with SF-2, into which you plug this bass and which functions as the filter and volume controls.
 
What do you think? My vision would be a bass on which ALL the top wood would be visible, except for the pickup routs.  
 
I've never owned or heard an SF-2, but it seems to me that the lowpass/bandpass/highpass controls of the SF-2 surpass even the Series II controls actually mounted in the bass. So my idea is to run the pickups straight without coloration into an SF-2.  
 
Powering only the canceller and preamp, I would think the 9V batteries would not run down too quickly. I'd skip even the pickup selector and volume controls, and do that on the SF-2. It would not be a handy stage bass if you were into quick tone changes but for sit-down and studio use I bet it would be phenomenal.
 
You'd need the Series humcanceller and preamp, and I am not sure if that could be stuffed into an Essence body. But my dream would be to have something the size, shape, and weight of an Essence and yet capture the Series sound.  
 
Oh yeah, and some ebony in the neck. :-)
 
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« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2004, 09:07:24 AM »
brilliant!!!!,i think ill have one of those for christmas!

effclef

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« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2004, 10:08:41 AM »
Well Keavin, have you been REALLY REALLY GOOD so far this year? Better start knitting a five foot long Christmas stocking, heh heh.
 
(BTW I still laugh at your night after night Freudian slip photo posting!)
 
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dela217

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« Reply #3 on: April 05, 2004, 04:49:49 PM »
Andy - That is a GREAT idea!  I can tell you, I have a bass that is similar to what you are describing.  My 1972 Alembic is set up that way.  It has the single coil pickups, hum canceller, but passive controls, and no filters.  It sounds fantastic by itself.  When I plug that bass in direct, it needs no eq.  Good stuff.

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« Reply #4 on: April 05, 2004, 06:07:04 PM »
ive seen that bass on the site,so when you say it has passive guts,do you mean vol ,vol,tone,tone?is there a Q? or is it absent? whats the set up?  

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« Reply #5 on: April 05, 2004, 07:27:28 PM »
Keavin - Yes, it is set up as vol,vol and tone, tone.  There is no Q at all.  Of course it has 2 on board pre amps, one for each pickup. Each pickup has it's own hum canceller inside the body.  The preamps are powered through the 5-pin, and is split stereo with a stero/mono switch.  That's it!  Very simple, yet VERY effective.  What a tone this bass has.

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« Reply #6 on: April 05, 2004, 08:06:23 PM »
Michael,  Nice score on the preamp, great price.
Kenn

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« Reply #7 on: April 05, 2004, 08:13:59 PM »
wouldnt not having a Q as opposed to a tone pot,lessen some of your pureness? i mean the Q gives you more out of your sound,plus also having those single coils on board,my bass is just like yours with the hum cancellers glued to the inside of the body,in other words your bass is like a epic setup but w/single coils, but is there some differince not having a Q ?  

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« Reply #8 on: April 05, 2004, 10:40:05 PM »
For some reason, I do not miss the low pass filter on that bass.  I have owned basses with massive filtering capabilities, so I know what I am missing.  That bass just sounds great on it's own.  It's sound can be described as one that has it's mids scooped out.  Lots of bottom end, and single coil highs.
 
Kenn - I thought that was a good price too.  I was looking for an early F2B for a while.  I was searching for one with a Fender type jewel on the face instead of an LED.  The LED started with serial number 143.  This one is 102.  I usually don't like the auction game.  But when I saw it was a Buy It Now, I couldn't pass it up.

effclef

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« Reply #9 on: April 06, 2004, 10:10:28 AM »
Glad you liked it, Michael!
 
I wonder how feasible it would be. If Ron would have to make a new circuit board I would guess the answer would be no, but if it just meant not populating all of the Series I components on the existing board, and possibly cutting down the size of it, I wonder.  
 
Maybe Mica will spot the thread and comment.
 
I think it would be HUGELY popular, yet be at a lower cost than a real Series bass.  
 
I read somewhere that on special order, you could get SF-2 electronics installed in your Series. Is that true?  
 
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« Reply #10 on: April 06, 2004, 07:22:53 PM »
Sounds neat. We've made something sort of similar to this for a dear friend of mine, but the goal wasn't to make a less expensinve Series II. His Series II has no controls at all on it, everything is rackmounted, except the master volume which is a pedal. Wish I had a photo of it, but that was back in the dark ages when we needed silver to develop pictures.  
 
At this time, we're probably not going to be looking at developing a lower cost Series as a new model, I've got other plans for my dad's engineering schedule. Any dreaming about this exact design becoming a reality will have to wait until at least next February - doesn't that sound far away? It will creep up on us faster than any of us think.  
 
Superfilters were originally only installed on instruments. Fitting all that stuff in there is grossly expensive, and many of the components had to be handmade by my dad. We figured a rackmounted unit would be more flexible, and we could use mostly off the shelf parts to cut the price by 2/3 what it runs to get it in a bass or guitar. We would still do it if someone really wanted it, but it's soooooo much cheaper to get the rackmounted unti, plus you can use it with all your instruments.
 
(Message edited by mica on April 06, 2004)

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« Reply #11 on: April 07, 2004, 05:32:27 AM »
Mica, thanks so much for the reply and thoughts. My primary reason for the suggestion was for a custom, not necessarily a new model, but I do think this would be something others would like.  
 
I'll keep saving bottle deposits and may revisit this next year, just to see if this could be possible.  
 
By the way, if someone has/wants to make MP3s of SF-2 sounds, I'd love to hear them, especially at settings not available to Series basses (bandpass and highpass).  
 
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« Reply #12 on: April 07, 2004, 12:51:03 PM »
I found a couple of pictures of Alembics sans-controls.  The two owners belong's to an Internet-group to which I belong called "Churchbass."  One of them (the bass with the ribbon)is in CA and I know for a fact that the only effect he uses is a volume pedal.  I wonder, Mica, if this is your "dear friend."  Really cool, down-to-earth, guy.  But I don't want to spill the beans.  The Omega cut bass was described as "factory reconditioned" so it may not have started out as control-less.  Kevin  

 


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« Reply #13 on: April 07, 2004, 02:27:12 PM »
geeeeewwwwiiiiiizzzzzz!!!

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« Reply #14 on: April 08, 2004, 05:33:35 AM »
WOW!
 
Now the top one is interesting: note the two stripes either side of the neck. Wonder what's up with that. Almost like new (koa?) wings were put on - but if they were, the match is super.
 
OK, precedence has been set. ;-)  
 
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