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dtrice

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« on: January 16, 2007, 03:36:46 PM »
Hi, I am already an Alembic owner so I have the basic questions about overall quality safely answered.  I am already planning my next Alembic (although in all practicallity this may not happen for two to three years) but I'd still like to get some imput about getting a bass made with Series electronics.  What are ya'lls'(hey, I'm from the south) thoughts about them.  What are the pros/cons of I or II. What is the main differences in sound from them verses Anniversary electronics.  I've heard Series instruments before (i.e. John Paul Jones and John Entwistle, etc.) but I've never played a Series instrument and I would like to know what kind of difference it makes to tone so any advice you can give me would be appreciated. The more the better! Thanks.

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« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2007, 04:50:25 PM »
I'm a guitar player, so I can't help you much about basses.  As the owner of both a Series I and non-Series Alembics, I can tell you they are both great.  If the typical guitar is a Ford or Chevy, the non-Series is a Porsche, and the Series is a Ferrari.  There are only two possible cons I can think of regarding Series instruments:  cost and weight.
 
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« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2007, 05:07:24 PM »
To paraphrase from elsewhere on the forum, the series pickups are single coil and have been described by several members as having an open sound. Be sure to read the FAQs and Must Reads section as well.
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« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2007, 09:52:51 AM »
Well series electronics are stereo for one & the advantage is there's a Vol/filter/Qswich per pickup & tone flexibility is almost unlimited when you mix them.....check out stanley's gear set-up http://www.stanleyclarke.com/gear_pg.htm

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« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2007, 11:19:49 AM »
The answers so far have been good, but I think it's hard to get the picture in such a brief context.
 
In terms of control, Anniversary and Series I electronics are the same (if you upgrade the Anniversary Q-switch to a 3-way).  Series II adds a master volume and the continuously variable Q controls.  These three setups are all stereo -capable where you can route each pickup through a unique signal chain to their own amplifiers or recording channels.
 
The important differences, in my mind, are as follows:
 
1. Pickups.  The Series packages use wide-aperture single coil pickups with a dummy hum canceller located a few inches from the actual pickup.  There is a set of internal pots to adjust the balance between the pickups and the hum canceller for maximum noise reduction.  The Anniversary package comes with regular-aperture pickups.  The hum cancellers for these pickups are built into the housing.  An upgrade to FatBoy wide-aperture version is possible.
 
As previously mentioned, the single coil pickups are described as having a more open sound.  I would say they are more articulate in the upper frequency ranges that complete the character of the tone.
 
2. Electronics.
Series electronics are powered through the 5-pin cable.  While the controls are similar to the Anniversary package, the guts behind them are not the same.  The additional headroom in the power system for the Series package should translate into lower noise from the onboard preamp.  Not that the Anniversary package is noisy, but that the Series package is as quiet as rack-mount gear.  You can run Series electronics on batteries, but they eat them up very quickly.  Non-Series electronics run relatively low power.  A single 9v will give you months of service.  I wish we could run the Anniversary circuit at 18v, but Alembic hasn't offerred that as an option.  Also, the CVQ (continuously variable Q) controls are only available as part of the Series II package.  If you want that level of control, you have to go to the top.
 
There are differences in standard options between these instruments, but they can all be added or removed between the models.  Things like plated hardware, LEDs, and wood recipes can all be upgraded on the lesser models.
 
In the end, it's up to your ears and your needs.  Your profile says that you own a Spyder.  As such, you know what Anniversary electronics sound like.    Do you ever use them in stereo?  If not then you might not really appreciate the subtle differences between Anniversary and Series electronics.  I believe the Spyders came with AXY pickups, you might try the relatively inexpensive path of ordering a FatBoy pickup and installing it in your Spyder to see how you feel about the wide-aperture tone.  This should get you closer to the Series sound. Either that, or get to a dealer with a Series bass in stock where you can hear it for yourself.

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« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2007, 02:03:08 PM »
Bob that was a great explanation.  Except for the three-way Q switches I thought there would be a larger difference between Anniversary and Series I controls.  So the main difference lies in the pickups and the power supply.  Are FatBoys single coil like the Series'.  I'm unlucky enough to live in a state with no Alembic dealers, so it is very hard for me to actually play any.  Is it possible or even recommendable to possibly have Anniversary electronics upgraded to Series I specs?  Could the bass even recieve the new electronics?  One of these days I need to take a trip to Bass Central (where I had a good experience with purchasing my Spyder) or somewhere and just spend like two days just playing different Alembics.  But that is easier said then done.

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« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2007, 02:13:22 PM »
Bass Central does usually have a great inventory, but there have to be a couple dealers closer to you than that, no?  Will Gunn left TN, but how about the Texas dealers?
 
Well, with regard to pickups, the FatBoy is the same construction as the AXY pickups but using the larger Series pickup magnet.  They are not single coil.
 
Upgrading an existing bass to Series electronics is probably not cost effective even in the rare case where it is possible.  The Series bass is built with a thicker body to accomodate the electronics and most non-series basses are not thick enough to take it.  Someone else recently asked about th eupgrade and I think the requirement was a 1.75 thick body.  I suspect you'd be looking at something like a $5K job if the bass could take the upgrade, but I could easily be off by 50%.

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« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2007, 03:07:57 PM »
Well I played my first Alembics at Larry Morgan music in Garland, Tx but they are no longer an Alembic dealer from what I hear.  I lived in Houston for a while and visited Parker music but didn't see any Alembics on the racks at the time, but I haven't checked back in about a year.  Yeah, I had a feeling that the upgrade to Series would be pretty steep.  At $5000 I'd be well on my way to just buying a whole new bass.  Maybe a nice quilted maple Dragon's Wing...at least dreams are free!

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« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2007, 06:20:42 AM »
Daniel,
Not sure what the commute might entail, but Guitar Resurection, North Austin, has a handful of Alembics, though I don't recall seeing any Series basses. The closest would be a really sweet Brown Bass (Anniversary electronics). It thumps like nobody's business.

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« Reply #9 on: January 24, 2007, 07:02:33 AM »
Daniel, I believe jorge is coming to  on th 10th maybe ya'll could car pool. Would be a great chance to play sveral differant models.
 
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« Reply #10 on: January 24, 2007, 07:08:02 AM »
The link above, , didn't work at first, I have corrected it.

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« Reply #11 on: January 24, 2007, 08:54:07 AM »
I heard that Jorge has been in Oklahoma City lately.  I'll have to plan a way for me to get there.  Also I'd need to call hotels for good prices on rooms. We'll see.  Maybe if not this time, maybe it will go well and there will be more?

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« Reply #12 on: January 25, 2007, 05:27:18 AM »
Actually I have been in Arkansas but I am in New Orleans a lot.  My house is still there (and almost repaired!).  So shoot me an e-mail Daniel if you want to play mine and see what you think.

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« Reply #13 on: January 30, 2007, 01:34:04 PM »
I was also considering either a DW or a Triple-O Series bass.  Does anyone know the specific differences in weight or balance between the two?  I already have a spyder and was just reflecting that maybe I should get something a little different?  What do ya'll do when picking new Alembics do you guys pick your favorite design and play with it or do prefer the variety?

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« Reply #14 on: January 30, 2007, 01:42:24 PM »
If you love to torture youself with weight, get a Triple O with Coco Bolo and Ebony laminates.  You'll taste your privates every time you pick up the bass.  Plus they are very difficult to play sitting.