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moongerm

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« Reply #60 on: June 18, 2015, 12:15:11 PM »
Having a sustain block I believe is more desired generally speaking. I prefer having it over my Spoiler 5 which does not have it. I don't believe it will have any effect on balance as the thickness, width of the neck profile (along with adding  ultralight tuners) will affect overall balance along with the upper horn style.  
 
Then again there are advantages to having a bass that sits more towards three o'clock that is if the high register is more your voice. This is where Alembicitis comes into play, can never have more than one  ha!

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« Reply #61 on: June 18, 2015, 02:00:57 PM »
I'm open to it.  
 
One of the things I took away from the last extended conversation with Mica on this bass... there's a LOT of things to think about when you're doing this. This might be a subject of one last call.
 
I really appreciate the input guys!

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« Reply #62 on: June 19, 2015, 03:37:57 PM »
When Bob did his custom build a few years back, he had blocks of different materials, one of which I think was Ebony.  His intent was to experiment with the different blocks, but I don't recall that he ever posted any results from the experiment.  But if you're going to be talking to Mica about whether to go with a block or not, you might want to ask her about alternative block materials.
 
Of course, at some point it can be a bit difficult to keep track of all the variables you're considering in your head.

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« Reply #63 on: June 19, 2015, 04:46:12 PM »
The wheels are in motion folks... I sent the deposit today. There may be some tweaks along the way, (for instance bridge block added or neck carve) but for the most part, it's down to the waiting part now.
 
I'll keep this thread active until the FTC thread starts up, so keep the advice coming.  
 
Once again, thanks so much guys!

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« Reply #64 on: June 21, 2015, 07:04:59 AM »
Funny story... like I was saying - those of you who have done this know, there's a lot of tiny details to think about when planning a custom build. Seriously, you lay awake nights thinking about it. (at least I have)
 
So, I was in the middle of a set last night, setting up for my one gratuitous solo in Robert Johnson's Last Fair Deal Gone Down, I reached down to tap the Q-switch and twist the Filter a little on my Persuader... and suddenly realized, in all this process and thought on vintage features, it never once occurred to me to specify classic hat knobs.  
 
So I gotta fix that. =)  
 
Just the first of what I'm sure will be many things I forgot about.

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« Reply #65 on: June 21, 2015, 09:08:20 AM »
Another testament to the enduring legacy of Robert Johnson.
 

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« Reply #66 on: July 01, 2015, 07:01:23 AM »
So I've caught both Mica and Susan by phone at opportune moments in the past week, just for brief conversation on final details. Busy girls, they.=)
 
We're getting to the good part now, as Ms. W. herself tells me construction will start up later this month. Mica asked if I'd like to do an FTC thread, to which I say of course. I've had so much fun and drawn lots of inspiration from watching/reading those threads from you guys here... maybe someone else will read mine sometime. I think the only pages I've spent more time on is the Showcase threads, especially the Series I pages. (which is where a lot of the ideas for this bass came from) Of course I've drawn from the whole experience here, but special hat-tips go out to:
 
Flip - the original Alembic D-I-Y adviser
Will - the Alembic encyclopedia guy
Rusty's Blue Orca
Joey's Big Red Spoiler
Keith's Orion Nebula
Wayne's Anniversary Model 5-string #008
Wolf's #73-32 Series I SSB
Rob's #73-39 Standard Point
Jimmy J's long-lost #76-418 5-string
J. McVie's continuously fretted Series bass
 
Last but not least, my own Persuader 5-string #5559... without the members of this board and the staff at Alembic who helped me put it back right last year, I probably wouldn't be here today.
 
Well, I guess that's about it folks... see you all on the Build Thread. Thanks Again for all your help!

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« Reply #67 on: July 01, 2015, 07:17:21 AM »
Gregory Thanks !  
 
 I am intrigued to see what will be !  
 
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« Reply #68 on: September 23, 2015, 10:45:40 PM »
IF it were me:
 
I'm as old-school Alembic as they come, but I would not want the battery in front.  I wanna see wood, and nobody has wood like Alembic.
 
Get gold keys, matches the brass hardware better to my eyes.  Put the three on the bass side, it looks dorky with two on top and three on the bottom.
 
Get two FatBoys, and put the bridge one with a little 'breathing room' between it and the bridge, similar to the Jazz Activator in the picture above.  You need that spacing for tone, believe me, unless you really want a spike-y, clackety top end, which this thread would not lead me to believe.  It's of course going to be bright regardless, but every little bit of distance from the bridge saddles will tend to warm it up a little.
 
I wouldn't stay awake nights about the sustain block, either.  Deluxe laminates plus the ebony board is mucho sustain, and I'd hazard a guess that without frets, it'll go even a bit longer still.
 
MUST have Witch Hats.
 
A 'vintage' touch I wish I'd remembered:  The little ebony spacer beneath the bird tailpiece.
 
I'd countersink the truss rod plate . . . .  
 
You can NOT go wrong with a maple/mahogany/deluxe laminates menu for an all-rounder.  Coco and ebony are grand, but they begin to get a little pointy-sounding with those dark heavy woods.  On the other hand, I played one, and if I could overlook the weight, it really was the living end, but would really, really require a commensurate amp rig to fully convey it.
 
And for gosh sakes, WHEN you get it, DON'T start a thread about how your driven to a higher plain of existence by how beautifully
it 'mwah's ! ! !
 
I can tell you that Susan is utterly psychic when it comes to transferring what you told her to a finished instrument.  You WILL be dumbfounded, she's just the best.
 
That's my 2 cents, and as always, that's about what my opinion is worth. YRMV.
 
Joey

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« Reply #69 on: September 24, 2015, 03:56:51 AM »
I love your posts Joey! I think we must think a lot alike too. Ditto on the mwaah thread. I've been an upright player for going on 30 years, and I'm over it... I'd actually never heard of mwaah until I started playing (fretless) bass guitar. =)
 
I didn't think about the wood spacer under the bird either... hmmm. I did however insist on old style hat knobs, and ultimately decided to skip the sustain block, mostly for the reasons you've listed. And we spec'd a FatBoy pickup, but for the bridge only. This bass is getting maple top and back lams over a mahogany core (like your Big Red Spoiler has) except I went with birdseye maple, and an Anniversary Omega body, which is in between the Standard and 3/4 sized. We did finally decide on a narrowed/straight-pull 3+2 Elan headstock, with cocobolo front and back veneers.
 
Probably wont talk me down offa' the old school battery box though! According to Will G. they didn't recall having done that before, so in a strange way, my bass will have a feature unique to all but the early PF-5 equipped ones. I take your point on the wood, but oddly, I'm hoping Ms. W. picks out some plainer wood for the top and back. I love the look of those early Alembics, where the figured wood was a little less dramatic. Somewhere in California, they must be wondering about this nut in Virginia who likes plain wood and retro touches to a fault!
 
In the spirit of a patience-building exercise, I haven't actually talked to Mica or her Mom for a couple months now, so I don't really know what progress there is yet, just that this build is in the queue. Maybe I'll give them a call and see... don't want to bug 'em when they're workin'! =)

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« Reply #70 on: September 24, 2015, 10:01:14 AM »
When I had my Elan built, once we got everything spec'd, I consciously made the decision for no FTC thread, and I never once called them to inquire.  I would see all those FTC threads where people were up nights and worrying them to death about little stuff.  You and me both know that it's not a continuous, production line operation in a small shop, so I thought I'd leave them the hell alone (I'm always amazed that people wonder why they can't get them on the phone at any time or why it sometimes takes a while to get an EMail returned).
 
So around 11 months later, I got it, it's exactly what I told them, and all that without once talking to anybody there.  Mine wasn't their first rodeo, so let 'em do what they do so well.  Simple.
 
But, that's just me . . . .
 
I will say, that to this day, after a lifetime of looking at inline, Fender-style heads, it's still the strangest thing to look down the neck and see a bent-like-Gibson-downangle inline headstock !
 
Joey

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« Reply #71 on: September 24, 2015, 02:50:31 PM »
Yeah, I'm with you on thou shalt not hassle... I won't be that guy. There were just a couple details we were still working on, and there was a draft of something I was supposed to look at. Minor details all, but eventually critical. I'll catch up with them one afternoon.  
 
I sometimes forget about your green Elan... hadn't realized it was a custom too.

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« Reply #72 on: September 24, 2015, 06:03:03 PM »
Looking forward to seeing what's cooking for you Gregory. All will be right rest assured.  
 
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« Reply #73 on: September 25, 2015, 05:28:38 AM »
Cletus wanted me to remind you that even if you don't use a stand or forget your guitar is in the back of your pickup when you haul firewood, you got options you ain't even thought of.
 
He calls this his stein and burger conversion.
 

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« Reply #74 on: September 26, 2015, 11:40:19 AM »
Greg, I didn't realize that we couldn't edit, or better yet delete, pre-coffee brain farts after an hour, or I would have. It's The weekend and the Foghorn is decidedly Scottish today.
 
I apologize for channeling Cletus in here for a cheap laugh and forgetting to delete it right away.
 
Your bass is a work of sculpture and it's been a privilege to watch you glide through the decision making process from the unique perspective of a fellow bassist and craftsman.
 
I'm continually reminded of a quote from a book called Does It Matter by Alan Watts:
 
Among the hippies, I know makers of musical instruments - lutes and guitars - that, for delicate ivory inlays and excellence of grain and texture, are as lovely as any works of the Italian Renaissance. ...
 
http://www.beezone.com/alanwatts/moneyversuswealth/moneyvswealth.html
 
We know who he was talking about. Especially given our mutual love for spending evenings with our arms around a warm upright bass, a perspective few of our fellow bassists appreciate.  
 
So when I discovered to my horror that I couldn't exorcize Cletus from your beautiful thread, it's like being caught in the glare of monks with torches, taking a crap on the Sistine Chapel floor.
 
And all I have to offer by way of apology is that I'm a married man, and trust it will suffice.  
 
I was just trying to make you laugh. Is that a bad thing nowadays? We play such bombastic instruments, y'know. Sometimes when you crash and burn at a volume that could pulverize concrete blocks, it can be pretty damn offensive.
 
I've missed a turnaround and had a whole dance floor full of people stop and flail about like trout, and every scowling drunk in the room turn their bloodshot eyes toward me. Many, many times, I'm afraid.  
 
I call those kinds of unexpected extremes dynamics. They kinda perform the same function as that DEEP button on that behemoth Ampeg SVT monolith I sacrificed my lumbar to. I used to look at that thing in the middle of a song and go; if I push that at this volume, it'll knock the whole front row over. Oh, what the hell. [crash, screams.]
 
I believe a certain aspect of that thing that makes us bassists is mastery of the DYNAMICS of the damn thing. And it's especially true of this bass, your work of art.  
 
Bravo, sir. Godspeed.  
 
My favorite thing about this place is that it's about learning excellence. I open my Alembic's road case and instead of taking it out immediately, I always stand back up and pause, just to look at it. I can't help it.  
 
Every other guitar I just take out of the case while I'm there. You know what I'm talking about here. In a hurry to spank the plank to make that twine whine. Not with my Alembic.
 
It's that thing that happens when you hook it up to powerful amps that make big speakers pump like bass drums, and add a good drummer.
 
The drummer is essential. With the right one(s), it's the single greatest experience of my life. The thing I like doing more than anything else. I believe the same is true for you.
 
My 7th grade music teacher, Mr. Southworth, said that Beethoven asked potential students one question, for which he would only accept one answer. The most important thing was that the reply must flow from their mouths like water, without hesitation.  
 
Beethoven's question was; why do you want to play music?
 
The only answer he'd accept was; because I have to.
 
Ever since Mr. Southworth told me that, I've just doggedly pursued playing bass. Because I have to. I can tell you do, too.
 
I suggest you get Thomastik Spirocore strings for your upright before you retire your left arm. I was absolutely delighted to discover that Stanley Clarke uses them, and he doesn't even know me! The rope core is made from a secret Austrian formula - I'd tell you more if I could - wrapped in some kind of indestructible metallic Bavarian ribbon stuff. They're unbelievably flexible and yet ballsy, with a nice, flatulent lower register you can pump like a heartbeat.
 
That was one of the reasons I posted the video of him playing Bach, to hear them for yourself, as well as witnessing a musical high water mark.  
 
I bought mine purely by accident, at an old music store that looked like a set for Hoarders. They could have been anything, but they turned out to be something that made me strive for excellence.
 
Sorry about the floor. I'll get a bucket and mop.