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« Reply #15 on: June 16, 2014, 12:40:14 PM »
+1 on waiting for the real deal.
 
You'd probably spend a significant amount of $$ and time getting this one put back to original (or close to original) spec's.
 
My advice: cruise ALL of the models and specifications on the Alembic site and narrow down your preferred spec packages. Then ask questions on the forum to dial in your ideal choice. Chances are someone here has experience with what you're considering and can guide you to what will work best for you.
 
Who knows - you might wind up going for a build so you can get exactly what you want!

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« Reply #16 on: June 16, 2014, 05:43:10 PM »
Thank you David?I already passed up the Persuader for the reasons you cited?.I am looking and looking, but want to take my time as quality and cost are too important to make a fast decision.

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« Reply #17 on: June 16, 2014, 09:27:46 PM »
Dan,
 
The other nice thing about buying used Alembics is that if you get yourself a reasonable deal on a used Alembic, you can pretty much always get your money back if you decide to upgrade or decide that you've changed your mind on a specification.  
 
I started out by buying a used Rogue from a forum member who was having a custom built (http://www.alembic.com/info/fc_dragonfly.html).  I played the Rogue for about 2 years and then decided to build my own custom Elan.  I sold the Rogue for the same price I bought it for to another club member to fund my Elan build.  Alembics hold their used retail value very, very well.    
 
So- I would recommend taking David's advice?. poke around through the showcase threads and for sale area for awhile.  Get a pretty decent idea of specs that you'd consider and then know that if something does come up that tickles your fancy, that it's normally a safe purchase- assuming you don't overpay tremendously to get it.  
 
Happy hunting and keep us up to speed on how it goes.  There really isn't anything quite like an Alembic.  
 
Toby

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« Reply #18 on: June 18, 2014, 05:31:01 AM »
Toby?.thanks again.  I just read your post.  I have taken all of the advice given by this group?.you have all be so helpful!  I will be out hunting!!!

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« Reply #19 on: June 24, 2014, 09:09:33 AM »
Greetings All,  
 
Well, I'm the chap who wound up with this bass... but I sure wish I'd known about this resource before I bid (what I did) on it. When I asked the seller specifically about the pickups, they responded describing them as factory installed upgrades, which led me to assume they were Alembic replacements, not aftermarket Bartolinis. I felt it was a misleading answer, and following an exchange with the seller, a partial cash refund has been agreed upon over the discrepancy.
 
This is my first Alembic after 25 years of wanting one, so I kinda' hate that it went down this way... OTOH, with exception for the incorrect electronics, I absolutely LOVE the bass. It really is a beauty, and after a couple tweaks to the action and a new set of TI's, it plays very well too. FWIW, the Barts don't sound bad, and they work fine, but they most definitely don't have that Alembic tone I'm after.  
 
I've read about all I could find and weighed options... and after talking to Mica, (Thanks Mica!) decided I'm going to restore this old Persuader rather than bail out and start over. The only question left to be decided is what to put back in there. At the moment, leaning towards Vol/Pan/Filter/Q-switch, although the Elan setup mentioned above is attractive as well.
 
So, I'll see you folks around here...

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« Reply #20 on: June 24, 2014, 09:25:10 AM »
Hello & Congratulations !

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« Reply #21 on: June 24, 2014, 09:31:28 AM »
Thank you for deciding to restore this bass!  It's a nice looking instrument, and with Alembic electronics it will be a great bass.

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« Reply #22 on: June 24, 2014, 04:13:42 PM »
Good you found the club, welcome! :-)
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« Reply #23 on: June 24, 2014, 05:42:52 PM »
Glad you're happy with the bass.  I emailed the seller over eBay that the pickups were not Alembic factory installation on 6-13-14, as a result of the knowledge I gained from this communication thread.  He confirmed on the same day and said he didn't know and that he was told by the original owner.  I hope you asked your question about the pickups before I did or he knowingly misrepresented the bass again.  He described the Bart's tone as buttery with a smooth b, which is another reason I didn't want it because it didn't sound like an Alembic.  Either way, it's a beautiful bass and going the route of restoration is the way I would have gone as well, had I won the bid.  Good luck!!

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« Reply #24 on: June 24, 2014, 07:06:48 PM »
Interesting. They told me roughly the same thing on the 14th. I believe they must have been trying to confirm before committing to change the description... haven't gotten the sense that they were intentionally dishonest, but more that someone else wasn't completely honest with them. He asked for this week to refund me for some of the pickup replacement cost - I agreed. Will update.

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« Reply #25 on: June 24, 2014, 07:23:20 PM »
Pre-restoration pictures tomorrow... files too big to post.  
 
(Message edited by edwardofhuncote on June 24, 2014)

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« Reply #26 on: June 26, 2014, 06:01:58 PM »
Any opinions appreciated here... after a couple days browsing the FAQ must reads on the many various Alembic activator sets, the two best options for restoring this bass' electronics (ahem - activators) looks to be a Volume/Pan/Filter/ & Q switch, or a Volume/Pan/Bass/Treble setup. The latter being more of what I'm used to, the former however seems heavily favored by the experienced Alembic players. I would rather not rout or drill any more on the control cavity...  
 
 
A little background - my playing style involves very little need for high-end articulation, as I solo very seldom, and do zero slapping. (I will confess to having at least one well-rehearsed, however gratuitous solo per set) Strictly speaking, my job is being an almost invisible part of the rhythm section. I absolutely do need tight low-end, especially on the B, as I tend to use the sub-E notes often. Typically, I tend to pan 60/40 more toward neck pu's and roll off a touch of treble, while pushing bass. I like just enough midrange growl to be aware of it. I'm very seldom in need of extreme high volume.
 
With that information, what advice can you folks give on which would be most useful to me. High pass? Low pass? Simple rotary Cut/Boost for Bass & Treble?
 
Thanks All, for the help!

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« Reply #27 on: June 26, 2014, 07:16:53 PM »
I am only recently experienced with the Rogue/Europa electronics which is;
Vol/Pan/Filter  
Cut/Flat/Boost switch Neck pickup
Cut/Flat/Boost switch Bridge pickup
2 position Q
 
I think that this arrangement would suit you except better with a 3 position Q from what I have read here.
 
I find it super quick to dial in the sound I want which is similar to what you have explained.
 
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« Reply #28 on: June 26, 2014, 08:57:06 PM »
I will admit to having never played the Alembic version of V/pan/B/T.  I have played several basses equipped with V/P/filter/Q and I really, really prefer that over any other non-Alembic electronic setup I've ever played.  
 
The filter takes a little while to get used to, but with the filter and Q, you have a really different way of shaping your sound, yet you're still capable of doing what you could do with standard B/T controls.  
 
If it were me, I'd go Filter/Q over B/T controls.

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« Reply #29 on: June 26, 2014, 10:04:29 PM »
With P/J Activators, you will have no problem with this axe being bassy:  Alembic's exact pickup placement varies from axe to axe, and on this particular one, the P relatively forward (closer to the end on the fingerboard, a fuller sounding spot) and the J is spaced away from the bridge, which will tend to take it away from being quite so twangy and a little deeper voiced.
 
For me, the bass+treble boost/cut choice would be faster to get you where you want to go.  Some guys prefer to do this rather than a lot of amp tweaking, and if that's you, that's fine.  
 
If you are interested enough to hunt for a while, the filters are hard to beat.  With the filters, you will need to be sure if your amp will add enough to get your sound without onboard boost and cut, most will.  But it's a cleaner signal going to the amp for me (without those big peaks that onboard EQ can induce, sometimes pushing amps into distortion).  Don't get me wrong, either setup is very clean sounding, but I prefer dealing with a less lumpy input at the amp.
 
I run these same pickups with the 'Signature' electronics:  Volume, balance, separate tone/filter for each pickup.  This way you can have straight tone on both, filter on either, or filter on both, which is a lot of possibilities.
I typically seem to gravitate to both filters on and cracked about halfway open, and vary the tone with my hand position along with the balance control.
 
Whatever you decide, be sure and have your wiring harness built with a preamp for each pickup:  This gives you a trim pot for each to set the blend of the two pickups:  The P is way louder than the J and balancing is usually necessary to find that right mix for you.
 
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