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frenske

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« on: November 17, 2014, 03:28:23 AM »
Hi,
 
I have an opportunity to exchange my Musicman Stingray bass for an Alembic Series 1. The problem with the Alembic is that it has a repaired headstock, although the seller says it is no problem. And the electronics for tone control are missing.
Although my Musicman is pretty fine bass, this sounds a bit too good to be true.
 
Serial number is: 75 C2707
 
Can you give me your thoughts?
 

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« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2014, 06:36:26 AM »
Hi there, if you what you want is an alembic, you will be missing out greatly if you have a non alembic tone circuit in that bass, apart from the build quality, playability etc, the thing that separates Alembic basses from the rest is the tonal capabilities of the filter based electronics. Without that the bass will not sound like an alembic bass. That being the case if the bass was going cheap, you may be able to send it back to Alembic and have proper series electronics installed and a refurb. (not cheap)  
 
My first observation is that the pickups look far too new to be original based on the age of the bass and if as you say the electronics are not alembic, then the pickups are also unlikely to be series I single coil pickups as if they were you would almost certainly need the additional hum-cancelling circuit to keep the bass noise free.  So I would suggest those are alembic regular hum-cancelling pickups  that are usually found in the non-series bass range alembics.
 
If I were considering purchasing, I would ask the seller for more photo's of the bass including closeups of the neck/headstock repair, the back of the bass and inside the electronics cavity and battery cover. Then post them on here so that we can see what in fact is in there. The serial number should be stamped on the top of the headstock and/or on the bottom of the fretboard although from the picture it looks like that may have been filed off unless it's a trick of the light. So there may be a question to ask there.
 
If you get us more info on the bass and photo's, there is a lot more we can help you out with. There are some truly knowledgeable guys here who are as passionate about others getting the right alembic as they are about buying their own.
 
Also be aware that there are some alembic copies, (Fernandes), around and if you want an alembic, then you don't want to find you have bought one of those copies. I'm not implying that I think this one is a fake, just making you aware there are some around.  
 
 
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frenske

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« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2014, 07:21:01 AM »
Hi Jazzyvee,  Thanks for your quick response.   Here is a picture of the serial number and the repair of the headstock.  The seller wants to trade my MusicMan Stingray 4 so it will cost appx. $1000

 


frenske

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« Reply #3 on: November 17, 2014, 07:28:23 AM »
...And some more pics.  

 


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« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2014, 07:42:05 AM »
Hello,
  I may be missing something here but my 75 Series 1's SN# is in the 200's. 215 to be exact. The 2707 numbering seams high for a 1975 Bass. Maybe foreign sales designations.
 As Jazzy stated its all about the tone which comes from the electronics,
Best of luck!,
Pete

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« Reply #5 on: November 17, 2014, 07:45:22 AM »
Love a koa bass! That being said a '75 instrument would have a different bridge and tailpiece as well as no cover on the truss rod adjustment. The serial number should be stamped on the end of the head stock and that seems an odd number for a '75.... I would expect a three digit number after the 75 like 75 -XXX . Ditto on the send pics of the electronics cavity.

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« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2014, 08:24:14 AM »
My '76 Series I guitar is no. 76-476.  And there is no truss rod cover.  I'm thinking this may well be a Fernandes with Alembic pickups and an added logo.  Even so, for $1000 I still think it's a pretty good deal.  Fernandes did the wood very well.  Where they fell short was with the electronics.  I have a Fernandes Masterhand guitar, built in the hippie sandwich fashion, that I have loaded with Alembic guts.  (You can see it here).  It is one of my favorite guitars and gets played as often as my custom Further.  If it were me, I'd jump at the trade, put in all-Alembic electronics, and, if it turns out it isn't an Alembic, remove the logo, and still have a blast playing it.
 
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« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2014, 08:44:44 AM »
I concur with jazzy and flpete on the pickups being modern hum-cancelling type, though this bass must have had Series electronics at one time. And the serial number is mysterious. As jazzy said, post a picture of the electronics cavity... there's answers in there.  
 
Additional Observations:
 
Knobs are changed... you can see the ring from the old ones.  
 
Looks like a rosewood fingerboard - that's not ordinary, but not impossible either. Then again, a C in the serial number usually denotes custom.
 
Headstock repair looks stable to me, but could have been touched up a little better.

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« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2014, 09:46:48 AM »
Hi Frank,
 
At first, look at the top of the head.
There is the real serial number that 70's made Alembic.
But it is heard to find, if refinish was done.
The serial number of the plate is not real number.
Only posibilty is some repair work by Alembic with REnumbered new serial number.
 
Next step, posibility of Fernandes Ferbic (Alembic model by Fernandes)
Tuner is not Original. It looks like the one that used by Ferbic.
I saw fine Koa top Ferbic , just like your's.
Please show me the circuit board.
But surely the PU are Alembic.
If the circuit was changed with PUs, I can't say anymore.
PU select knob is same as Ferbic.
 
Eiji

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« Reply #9 on: November 17, 2014, 01:05:42 PM »
The serial number says 75AC2707 which indicates Canadian export. I'll open open up the electronics cavity and post some pictures of it.  
 
Anyhow, it feels and plays comfortably and I'm going to play it with the band coming Friday to see how it sounds.
 
Thanks for the comments and I'll keep you posted.

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« Reply #10 on: November 17, 2014, 02:29:42 PM »
OK, The plot thickens... There is a serial number on the headstock: 82707 But that doesn't add up because 707th bass was made before 1982...
 

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« Reply #11 on: November 17, 2014, 08:40:20 PM »
Both serials are fault for 75' and 82' numbers.
Ferbic's serial was embossed same place that I remember, but I don't know the number range.
Now I ask my friend who own Ferbic.
 
My opinion is the body was made by Fernandes, not Alembic.
 
Eiji

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« Reply #12 on: November 18, 2014, 04:08:01 AM »
Rather interesting, not knowing much about Fernandes. . .  
sure would like to see inside the electronics cavity.

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« Reply #13 on: November 18, 2014, 05:38:54 AM »
Fascinating... being a relative noob, I haven't seen such a convincing copy yet, if that's what this indeed is. Notice also, the stamped number on the headstock reads 827-07, rather than 82-707. Why? Surely Alembic wouldn't have made that goof.  
 
Even the infamous Craigslist reproduction Series bass didn't come this close. That logo looks real too.

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« Reply #14 on: November 18, 2014, 07:41:54 AM »
found this information doing a little searching...
 
http://basschat.co.uk/topic/192441-fernandes-alembic-copy/  
 
for  comparison, there's a picture of the control cavity in one shot.