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olieoliver

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98MK11736
« on: March 02, 2006, 06:57:06 PM »
I just purchases this bass and I notice that it is not as hot as my other basses whem played through my amp. I have a Dave Eden Combo that usaully kicks major butt (I haven't tried through my SWR rig yet). I have several Warwick's, some 9 volt and some 18 volt preamps, that are much fatter and are quit a bit hotter through this amp. I'm sure I just need to make some adjustments but am not to familiar with the  controls. I also read that there is a trim adj. for the preamps on Rogue basses and I believe this bass has them too. Thought I'd ask before I pull the back cover off. Any and all advice is welcome. You guys know these basses better than I. Thanks.

David Houck

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Re: 98MK11736
« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2006, 07:31:33 PM »
Here is the section on trim pots in the FAQ section of the board.  There are two trim pots, one for each pickup.  Turn clockwise to increase the gain.  The FAQ should answer your questions on trim pots, but if you have further questions, let us know.

olieoliver

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Re: 98MK11736
« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2006, 09:09:53 PM »
Thanks. I went ahead and pulled the back cover off and adjusted the trim pots. The previous owner had the neck PU @ full position and the bridge PU alomst all the way down. Seemed kind of odd to me. I have them both about 3/4. I adjusted the PU heigths too, the bridge PU was bottomed out and uneven. I've played with the settings on the amp too and have it sounding much better. Not sure what kind of strings are on it now but I will put a set of Elixirs on it tomorrow. I've pretty good luck with them. I noticed the B string rest in the bridge saddle by the core not the wrapping. Is this Alembics recomendation for sting? Have other questions too but I'll research the info section see if I can answer them there. Thanks again.

kungfusheriff

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Re: 98MK11736
« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2006, 09:46:52 PM »
You're halfway there...Alembic markets their own strings, which are pretty nice as you'd expect, but a few of us here swear by DR rounds or Thomastik flats. My experience with Elixirs wasn't great, but that was when they first came out.
That is a really weird setup...who did you get the bass from, what kind of music did they play?

dfung60

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Re: 98MK11736
« Reply #4 on: March 03, 2006, 01:42:13 AM »
That low B string is a taper core.  Since the string is thinner over the bridge piece it should be less stiff and vibrate more purely.  I usually like taper core low Bs, but one consideration for you will be that if you switch to a regular B string with full wraps, it will sit much higher than the current string.  You can't individually adjust bridge heights on the Alembic bridge without changing the bridge piece so this might be a consideration.  Of course, you can lower that side of the bridge and most of the effect will be on the low B, but it will affect the other strings as well.

palembic

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Re: 98MK11736
« Reply #5 on: March 03, 2006, 02:10:09 AM »
Hi David,
 
how are you? Long time no see!
With the risk that people start to call me picky I have some remarks here!
In the string vocabulary one talks about taperwound or naked core and some talk about tapercore.
Taperwound means that the wrapping around the core is diminishing to the ball end of the string. So there IS still some wounding but thinner. Naked core means that the diminishing of the wounings ends before the ball end of the string leaving the core naked to go over the bridge. Some people call this taper (to) core.
Indeed the sustain is higher and I remember scientific tests somewhere with graphics that tried to prove that.
As David said: the stifness of the string is lower. More -what I remebered of the graphics- because you obviously have to raise the bridge to get the wanted distant between strings and fingerboard the downpressure of the string in the bridge (and the guitar) is higher. Also the vibration of the bridge (minuscule rcking back and forward) is higher because of the higher positioning. Tak ein account that the mass of the string is more or less identical between a naked core and a standard (it is only the core at the ball end that is naked).
All these charcteristics are considered as giving a better sustain.
Years ago my Dame (MK four string who is living in Italy now)was equipped with Rotosounds naked core strings called Superwounds. I remember a time that as well Mark King as Boon -both from Level 42- were endorsing them.
My 2cts.
 
Paul TBO
 
I hope this is understandable ...it IS hard sometiems to find the appropriate words!

olieoliver

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Re: 98MK11736
« Reply #6 on: March 03, 2006, 06:22:32 AM »
I bought the bass on eBay/musicexchange so I am not sure who had it before me. I think part of the problem is that these strings are probably just old and dead. Before I retired I changed my strings EVERY week. I love the growl of new strings. I have just recentley tried the Elixir's and they seem to be alright but I am not 100% happy with them. I've tried several brands but ahve found nothing that really excites me. The brand I used years ago where John Pearse and they where awsome, but I can't find them any longer. I'll try the Alembics. I have a few questions though. Are all Alembic 5 string sets open core, do they make differant gauge strings,(I have like 45,65,85,105,125(128) and I wonder if they will give me a break on the price if I buy in quantity they are pretty expensive.
I have one more question about the electronics. but will ask in my next letter.

palembic

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Re: 98MK11736
« Reply #7 on: March 03, 2006, 06:35:27 AM »
Hy Olie,
 
no ...the ALmbic strings are not naked core but standard wrapped.
Well ...nothing with Alembic is really standard (not even their T-shirts as I have heard) so the strings too: they are in fact flattened. Beware: every winding is round but the rounding is ellips. So they feel smoother. They loose some crispyness but as Mica pointed out somewhere in these happy-pages: a neck through Alembic is very crispy sounding in nature.
I never use them because they are not available ovehee and budgetwise out of my league.
 
Paul TBO

olieoliver

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Re: 98MK11736
« Reply #8 on: March 03, 2006, 09:46:39 AM »
Please excuse my ignorance on some of these questions but this is my first Alembic.
I believe I read in here that some models have a stereo output jack on them that is switchable. I assume that is not the case with this MK with rouge controls, if I am wrong please let know. I was wondering though about the low impedance PU's. I know most low impedance signals need a balanced chord to connect to an amp or board. I assume the preamp eliminates the need for this.

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Re: 98MK11736
« Reply #9 on: March 03, 2006, 02:13:37 PM »
Your jack is not stereo.  And a regular instrument cable is all that is needed, though you will probably want to use a fairly good quality cable.

olieoliver

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Re: 98MK11736
« Reply #10 on: March 03, 2006, 02:38:48 PM »
I use Monster Cables, bass instrument cable.
I think is insane when I see someone spend thousands of dollars on an amp and instrument and then through a 9.95 cable in between them.
When I was still playing live I always went wireless and always played my Kubickis'. I was a very animated player to say the least and my Kubickis' are very easy to maneuver since they have no head on the neck.
Anyway I never liked the way my rig sounds with a wireless you just lose too much verses a good cable.

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Re: 98MK11736
« Reply #11 on: March 03, 2006, 03:59:01 PM »
Paul -  
 
I *LOVED* those old Superwounds, although I think I only had them on an Alembic once.  They were a truly rare treat which hasn't been around for quite a long time.  
 
Perhaps more clarification on the differences is appropriate.  Bass strings have a straight gauge steel core wire that is wrapped with the winding wire that you feel.  Because there are practical limits to how heavy the core can be before it becomes a stiff rod instead of a string (!), each manufacturer picks a different mix of core wire and wraps to get to a particular size.  A roundwound low B string often requires two sets of wraps to get to the big diameter and that's part of why they often sound bad.  I think even heavy low E strings may have two wrap layers.  Flatwounds have multiple wraps as well.
 
On a regular string, the wrap wires extend virtually all the way to the loop around the ball end and the full diameter of the string passes over the bridge.
 
By contrast, the Superwound strings were exposed core.  In this design, the outer wraps stop before the bridge and only the center core wire passes over the bridge.  When you do this, the string is obviously much freer to have pure vibration.  This is how the lower strings in a piano are made and, in fact, Superwound referred to them as piano-string design (PSD).  All four strings in the set had this bare core design.  The sounded great, but were expensive to make and, worst of all, every different kind of bass has a different length between the bridge and the ball end stop, so many different sets had to be manufactured (Fender, Musicman, Rickenbacker, etc.).  They also had a variable length set which had no ball end on the bare end and included a set of adjustable ball ends which you moved to the position you needed, then tightened with a setscrew!  
 
The Superwounds were the original factory equipment for the early Steinberger L-2 bass.  I played Steinberger for many years and still have three L basses.  In addition to double ball ends (no headstock!), the witness points on the bridge were knife edges.  I still have a few sets of Superwound 707s from that era.  When you use modern strings, the wraps pass over the knife edge and it's not as nice to tune as the knife edge bumps the strings up and down as you tune.
 
What you usually see these days are what I would call a taper core or taper wound.  On these strings, they stop the outer wrap layer before it passes over the bridge, but the inner wrap layers are still there.  Since the string is a little thinner, vibration is improved.  Normally you only see the tapers on the low B and possibly E.  
 
I'm not sure quite what was going on with the Superwound company.  It was always publicized as if it were an independent company, but it had the same address as Rotosound in England and James How, the designer of the Rotosound strings was associated with the company as well.  In addition to roundwound PSD strings, they also had a very early pressurewound string called the Linea finish which were the nicest strings around.  Pressurewounds start out as roundwounds and are squeezed in rollers to have a slightly smoother finish but maintain the sound quality of roundwounds (this sounds like the description of the Alembic strings in your followup post). The current Rotosound Solo Bass strings are this same Linea finish.

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Re: 98MK11736
« Reply #12 on: March 03, 2006, 04:02:12 PM »
Wha!  
 
After finishing that long post, I wandered over the Rotosound site and it turns out that they *ARE* producing PSD strings again!  These are the sets with the adjustable ball ends.  I am SO buying some today!  
 
You all need to get a set too.  When you try them out, you need to raise the bridge to accomodate the loss of all that string diameter.  If these are anything like the old Superwounds, then you won't regret it!

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Re: 98MK11736
« Reply #13 on: March 03, 2006, 06:52:10 PM »
Labella make some called Super Steps.  But on an Alembic you have to have the tailpiece really close to the bridge.  I had such an Alembic once and those strings were GREAT on that bass.  I will check out the Roto's again too.
 
Michael

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Re: 98MK11736
« Reply #14 on: March 04, 2006, 01:09:21 AM »
Hey ...good idea!
ABout pressurewounds: I didn't heard that one yet!
I heard halfwounds, groundwounds and SIT talks about silencers. The Silencers from SIT are on my 4 string with the mandoline frets.
Thanks for explaining this BTW!
 
Paul TBO
 
PS ...oh what were we talking about 98MK11736????