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« Reply #15 on: December 01, 2007, 12:34:09 AM »
Can't I just switch the leads round in the cable between the preamp and the power amp?
It should have the same effect shouldn't it?
 
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« Reply #16 on: December 01, 2007, 04:56:53 AM »
Same consequence, probably more work though.

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« Reply #17 on: December 01, 2007, 05:59:01 AM »
I mean re-soldering the wires in the cable jack between the pre-amp to power amp. Not just swapping leads around as an entity..  
 
That should put that one cable out of phase and therefore in phase with the other outputs so I can use that when using the cab full range with another cab in the low or high outs of the pre-amp.
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« Reply #18 on: December 01, 2007, 07:10:14 AM »
I think that would be ok.  It's been discussed here before, so I suggest you run a search and see if you can find something more definitive from one of the electronics experts.  Don't forget to mark the cable that's been reversed.

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« Reply #19 on: December 01, 2007, 10:49:07 AM »
yep sure will. Search happening now..  
Thanks
 
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« Reply #20 on: December 01, 2007, 06:07:48 PM »
Although it doesn't address reversing the leads in the signal before the power amp, there is a reference to the phase shift topic in the Must Reads section, which points to a pretty informative thread here.

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« Reply #21 on: December 01, 2007, 10:52:26 PM »
You can invert phase in any cable in the chain to get the result you want, but that's not the best way to do this!
 
As has been noted in the thread, if you wire a special cable you'll need to be sure to mark it and make sure you never lose it or you'll be back at the soldering iron putting things right.  
 
The much better solution is to open up the speaker cabinet and reverse polarity internally at whatever point is convenient, usually by swapping hot and ground at the input jack.  Now, all the cables (preamp and speaker) are stone stock and you can sub with something from the big cable bag we all have if your regular cable has a problem.  The change you made is safe and secure inside the cabinet where nobody can accidentally knock something loose or get it hooked up wrong.
 
The only way that this would cause a problem is if you share the reversed cabinet between two multi-cabinet rigs.  That's pretty unlikely for most of us regular mortals.
 
As a side point, if you were going to hack a cable, it's much easier to change a speaker cable than a preamp or instrument cable.  In the speaker cable, both conductors are equal sized regular wires, so no special work is needed to make everything fit.  In most unbalanced shielded cables, one of the conductors is a regular wire and the other is the braided signal shield.  If that's the case, you'll probably find it's pretty hard to group and attach the shield conductor to the center pot of the plug without inviting shorts  against the plug body.  You probably won't notice a shielding problem with a line level cable running between preamp and power amp, but if this were an instrument cable, you would have just defeated the shielding with a reversal like this.
 
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« Reply #22 on: December 02, 2007, 03:38:26 AM »
Ok, I've just put the thing down hahaha.
I opened up the speakon connector and changed the cores over in the one end so it's reversed.  Bingo All sounds powerful and much more punchy even at very low volume.So thats cool.
 
I took Bsee's suggestion of putting the 4x10 on full range and had the 1x15 + 2x10 in parallel in the low pass channel and that sounds massive.  
With the superfilter turned in all kinds of meaty bass tones came alive.
 
Just as test I plugged the High out into my PJB Briefcase and that added a nice crispness to the top end but it was too hissy.
 
All in all I'm getting there. Once I get out on a gig with it then I  will try some configurations at soundcheck if there is time.
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« Reply #23 on: December 02, 2007, 08:53:48 AM »
Thanks David!
 
JV; sounds like you're making progress!  Which reminds me, I need to fix a few problems with my rig before the next gig.

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« Reply #24 on: December 03, 2007, 06:17:02 AM »
As with tbrannon - I too have absolutely nothing to add except I would love to play my MK signature through that stack and especially turn up at one of my gigs and shock the other three members when  they see it.
I can only imagine the sound...absolutely excellent

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« Reply #25 on: December 03, 2007, 10:07:28 AM »
Hi Terry, what kind of music do you play in  your band?
I have a couple of friends in Redcar that I haven't seen for a while, maybe a good excuse to go up see them and catch one of your gigs.
 
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« Reply #26 on: December 14, 2007, 02:12:27 AM »
JazzyVee - cheesy covers for functions & clubs, we do the odd gig in redcar..namely O'Gradys or The Clarendon, usually Sunday nights.
If you are coming to sunny Redcar give me an email(its on my profile)..could meet up and talk Alembic!!

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« Reply #27 on: December 15, 2007, 05:51:19 AM »
haha the Clarendon, I stayed in that  hotel for a few months whilst I was working up at the Wilton Centre in 2003.
Some nights they had bands on which was cool.
 
Small world Eh.
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« Reply #28 on: December 16, 2007, 08:06:51 AM »
jazzyvee..you worked in Wilton centre!!! That is where I work!!!!!  so close man!!!

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« Reply #29 on: December 16, 2007, 02:27:32 PM »
Yep I was contracted in by a local consultancy firm to do some work on an IT infrastructure and database migration project.
 
I used to go to Wetherspoons for my dinner in the evening then went to a couple of clubs there called Aruba's and The Deck.
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