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1dallek1

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« Reply #30 on: November 05, 2007, 03:03:00 PM »
lbpesq  you loose the bright that is a function on the alembic filters
to terryc i am not swaping good for bad, i am replicating the tiger setup using a cae gain buffer to drive an effects loop, its not lacking in any way it is different it sounds different. this thread has been super for me it has opened my eyes to the different approaches to guitar sound. i started this thread because i had a problem with the way the tribute was responding to my well established setup. i discovered the problem, the loop came after the volume and i fixed it.the brightness issue was well explained by dfung60 and a few others (thank you) brightness is not the problem it was anymore after fixing the loop position. i have resolved the problem. i dont aggree with getting a ferrari then putting a ford escort engine in it.the tiger setup sounds great the alembic tribute and further are twists on it anyway till next time
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terryc

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« Reply #31 on: November 06, 2007, 03:05:05 AM »
Well since  I am not a dead fan and a bass player I can thank my lucky stars that I can get the Stanley Clarke/Mark King sound from my MK standard with the only modification is to turn the filters and switch the Q's..Good luck on your sound search.

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« Reply #32 on: November 07, 2007, 12:16:57 AM »
Bradley -  
 
Actually, the Alembic filters (the bass ones anyway) are sort of opposite of the effect that you'd want to recreate the subtle treble loss of passive electronics and a cable.  
 
The traditional passive losses ARE a low-pass filter, but the Alembic Q-filters are a quasi-parametric filter that's set up more like a bandpass filter.  The Q-switch or CVQ is making a sharp and huge resonant peak and the filter knob is shifting the center frequency around.  In the low-resonant setting (the least bright sounding one), the filter is acting more like a traditional low-pass, but still has pretty marked effect.  
 
I don't really have much experience with the Superfilter, so I can't really comment on it.  The tech description on Alembic's site describes the filters as having relatively steep shoulders (12db/oct) which would probably have a hard time emulating a cable.  The damping factor control would definitely be in the ball park though.  Traditionally, damping factor is the ratio of output impedance to input impedance between power amp and speaker or between amp stages.  A long speaker cable can definitely lower damping factor, so I believe that a long instrument cable has a similar effect, although the numbers might not work out to be audibly significant.  I'm not sure how a pot can vary DF though (it's normally a factor of the amplification circuit design).  Power amps use negative feedback to reduce distortion (some of the output signal is fed back into the input to reduce distortion on steady state signals) - the DF knob may be adjusting the amount of feedback, although I'm not sure whether negative feedback is used in the preamp circuit.
 
Actually, one circuit that really does sounds sort of like passive loss is the Sweet Switch which was on the original Paul Reed Smith guitars (I think this largely disappeared in the early 90's).  The original PRS guitars had a master volume, rotary pickup selector which included a number of unusual pickup coil combinations, and the Sweet Switch.  There was no traditional tone control.  The effect of the Sweet Switch was very subtle, a little midrange bump and a gentle roll-off of treble and bass.  Since these PRS guitars were passive anyway, it often didn't sound like much was happening (and which is probably why it went away).  I think this must have been switching some sort of inductor in (that's how you make a passive midrange control).  This may actually be a productive (and inexpensive) area of research for 1dallek1 in trying to warm up the Tribute's tone.  I've got some very old PRS Signature guitars that have this feature and it's an interesting facet of a very unique instrument.
 
I also remember seeing fleeting mentions of Alembic mellow filters which were on guitars back in the early days.  I don't know what's up with them, but wonder if it was more probing in this same area.  
 
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Bradley Young

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« Reply #33 on: November 07, 2007, 01:21:10 PM »
David,
 
I'm going off of a discussion that Ron and I had at the NorCal get together.  This was probably not pre-Alembic, but very early, when they were modifying other makers' instruments.
 
Their customers were literally using different cables to control low-pass filtering (on passive pickups; longer==lower pass), and wanted to be able to recreate that effect with Ron's new, active electronics.
 
It's more a historical question of why filters? than a discussion of the current design.  Sorry I wasn't clear.

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« Reply #34 on: November 14, 2007, 07:48:08 PM »
hi I?ve been at it again, first the correction of the effects loop in the tribute was the answer for me, it just sounds great, next I added a second buffer to the Phiga rosebud (Jangletone in front and CB-1 in the back) and I made some custom jacks. I just put the plug in the proper socket and boom it works, I could do it on the fly with a rotary switch but I need some room on the instrument to play
 

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« Reply #35 on: February 20, 2008, 02:26:50 PM »
i have tried many different pickups with alembic electronics, and find that kinman pickups sound great with them. with humbuckers, i prefer wiring them in parallel to give them a clearer sound with a round bottom. i find that the new pickups as are incorporated in skylarks sound terrible! they are highly microphonic and squeal at high gain settings. i guess that has to do with whatever brittle plastic it is they use to hide their actual pickup in.  
also, the switch per pickup solution is cool for studio work, but on stage it is quite clumsy.
there is another advantage to using other pickups with activator electronics. by soldering them to the inputs of the electronics, you have less problems with bad contacts. in my opinion, by making things easier to repair and replace, alembic created the achilles heel of the electronics. the only problems i've ever had have been those connections.