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David Houck

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« Reply #30 on: July 21, 2009, 06:59:58 PM »
In your post number 1530, when using the quarter inch jack instead of the five pin, there was no noise.  So what has changed?  Same amp? Same guitar cable?  Same power strip?  Same wall receptacle?

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« Reply #31 on: July 21, 2009, 11:14:42 PM »
Hi Dave, all the items are the same so I'm a bit confused really.
I hope to have a bit of free time this weekend to try a methodical approach to this and try a few permutations with the guitar, psu and few amps to try to find out where the problem is. Generally, things are much quieter when plugged into my PJB briefcase bass combo when compared to my Laney valve guitar amp.
 
Fortunately I can hear the great guitar tone in spite of that so once I can find and rectify the problem all should be well.  
 
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« Reply #32 on: July 22, 2009, 05:32:19 AM »
Look over the shielding inside the control cavity to make sure it looks good, that the pots and jacks are snug against the shielding, and that the cover plate shielding looks good as well.  Also, I should ask, does the noise vary depending on how close you are to the amp?

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« Reply #33 on: July 23, 2009, 10:12:30 AM »
This sounds like a grounding problem to me.
 
The first thing I would try is to make sure you've got the DS5 connected to AC at the same outlet as your amplifier.  This means that you plug your amp and the DS5 into the same power strip or splitter, and that you don't plug the DS5 into a power strip that's plugged into another power strip.
 
What's going on here?  When you get noise like this it may be because the ground level of the AC isn't the same at the two outlets.  If there's any difference between the ground levels, then you may get some AC current leaking across the grounds which is the hum you hear.  
 
The DS5 will be particularly vulnerable to differing ground levels  because the outputs are unbalanced (2 conductors).  It looks like a direct box, but it's just a power supply and connectors.  A direct box sits in between two AC powered devices and can have this problem as well, but the balanced connector separates the signal hot, signal ground, and the shield.  If you have this hum problem with a direct box, you disconnect the shield connector on one end (that's what the ground lift switch does) and the signal continues to pass on the center conductors, but the hum that was passing through the shield is interrupted.  You can't have a ground lift switch with the DS5 because the unbalanced connectors combine together the signal ground and the shield - disconnect it, and you won't get any audio.
 
So, you need to make sure that there's no ground differential between the DS5 and your amp and the problem should go away.  
 
Many power strips have surge protectors in them.  The surge protector circuit isn't supposed to change the ground level, but I'm supposed to have a private jet and it didn't work out that way there either!  In the digital world, a lot of errors like the surge circuit don't matter - your phone charger will work if you give it almost anything.  But the DS5 lives in the analog world which literally is all black magic and it totally intolerant of close enough.
 
The giveaway on this problem is that your rig hums when the DS5 is plugged in but the 5-pin jack is not connected.  With no input, this must be a leaky ground problem.
 
If you're already on the same power strip, then the AC filtering circuit in the DS5 has a problem - either one of the big filter capacitors has gone bad or the diode bridge has failed.  It's kind of funny that you mentioned about rectifying the problem - this is section of the circuit is known as the rectifier - how come I'm the only one laughing here? (ha - I know Ron just chuckled too!)
 
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« Reply #34 on: July 23, 2009, 10:41:33 AM »
David; I shipped that private jet to you by UPS.  If you didn't get it, then UPS must have lost it.

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« Reply #35 on: July 23, 2009, 11:00:06 AM »
With that private jet arriving soon, you'll be able to fly around and diagnose all our electrical problems in person!

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« Reply #36 on: July 27, 2009, 01:55:27 AM »
Ok, after ages of trying the PSU and the guitar in a variety of my amps. I've come to the conclusion that the problem may have been with the PSU in the beginning but not now.
 
It appears that one of my valve amps has an intermittent noise problem where even when nothing is plugged in.  On Saturday, I plugged my Fender Twin amp in, powered up then left it to warm up off stand-by and I went to get a coffee then heard this enormous humming that went on for about 30 seconds or so then stopped for a while then kept coming on and off randomly.  
 
In the quiet time I plugged the psu and Dragon guitar in and it was quiet but when the buzz came it was hugely loud.
Just for comparisson I plugged the guitar into my PJB Briefcase bass amp and my Ashdown acoustic guitar amp and all was quiet.
 
The laney 30w amp i use for home practice again seems to have just become noisy and plugging any cable just increases the noise regardless of a guitar being on the end or not. If a guitar is plugged in, then different guitars produce different noise levels. Strangely my strat ultra was the quietest.
 
This small amp has been in the boot of my car quite a few times lately when I've been doing blues jam sessions and it seemed fine on Friday when I last used it at the session but since then it's got a  heavy buzz all the time.
 
So I think I need to get my valve amps serviced. Hope it's not expensive.
 
Thanks again for your input. I hope indeed this is the end of the noise problem.
 
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« Reply #37 on: July 27, 2009, 05:39:46 AM »
Glad it's not the guitar!
 
Are you leaving the amp in the car overnight?  If so, exposure to excessive humidity might be a factor.

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« Reply #38 on: July 27, 2009, 07:49:06 AM »
Hi Dave, no I don't leave stuff in the car overnight more for security reasons than anything else. I'm so happy it's not the guitar, though not having a valve amp in usable condition to play it is a pain.  
 
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« Reply #39 on: July 28, 2009, 06:28:00 AM »
David,
If it helps at all you made me laugh (though not actually out loud) with your observation about the bridge rectifier. (No, nothing to do with rectifying anything about the bridge pickup).  Mind you, my father told me that my first word was 2N3704