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ggunn

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« on: July 25, 2010, 07:45:07 AM »
I restrung my Epic 5 with Rotosound Swing Bass strings, and I really like them. The low B is much clearer than it was before, but unfortunately the bridge doesn't have enough travel to set the intonation.  With the saddle on the B string set all the way flat, the B string is noticeably (unusably) sharp anywhere above the 5th fret. What to do?

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« Reply #1 on: July 25, 2010, 08:49:45 AM »
Is the truss rod adjusted properly (see Joey's Set-up Guide in the Must Read section)?

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« Reply #2 on: July 25, 2010, 09:03:20 AM »
What method of measurement are you using?  I think the method most here have agreed to be the best is tuning to the 12th fret harmonic, and then setting intonation by comparing the fretted note at the 12th fret to the harmonic at the 12th fret.  Are you using this method or another method?

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« Reply #3 on: July 25, 2010, 10:13:45 AM »
I'm pretty sure that the truss rod is where it needs to be, but I'll check it.  The action is fine.  
 
I am comparing the chimed harmonic to the fretted note at the 12th fret with a strobe tuner, and the fretted note is significantly sharp with the saddle all the way back.  And like I said, when I play up the neck on the B string it is audibly sharp.
 
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« Reply #4 on: July 25, 2010, 11:36:08 AM »
My guess is that you'll need to get Mica's advice on this.  I'll move the thread to the troubleshooting section where she's more likely to notice it.

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« Reply #5 on: July 25, 2010, 11:59:47 AM »
Thanks,Dave: I didn't know about this sub-subforum.

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« Reply #6 on: July 25, 2010, 12:42:51 PM »
Mike1762 wrote: Is the truss rod adjusted properly (see Joey's Set-up Guide in the Must Read section)?
 
I found that article and went through the checks.  The truss rod(s) and nut height measurements are just as he recommends.
 
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« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2010, 04:09:15 PM »
This is interesting... the last time (1 month ago) that I restrung my Series 1 I used a set of Rotos I had lying around.  The intonation was off so I did a complete set-up (via Joey's method).  I had to run the E saddle all the way out and the G saddle all the way in in order to get it right.  I changed strings today, but I went back to my usual DR Hi Beams (same gauge as the Rotos: 95s).  The intonation was off on all strings... especially the E and G.  The saddles are now more towards the middle (as they were with my previous set of DRs).  From a physics standpoint I can't imagine why string brand would make a difference, but it appears that it can.  Based on that, you might want to try a different set of strings.  Anybody have any thoughts on this phenomena?

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« Reply #8 on: July 25, 2010, 04:35:43 PM »
Thanks, Mike, but these strings, especially the B, sound a lot better to me than any of the other 8 or so different makes/models of strings I have tried on that bass. With the exception of the intonation probs, of course.  
 
I think that maybe they are heavier weight per unit length than other strings of the same thickness, which would account for both the tighter feel (more tension) and the change in intonation.

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« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2010, 07:38:58 PM »
By the way Gordon, when I moved the thread, I sent an email to you to let you know where, but the email bounced.  Thought I'd let you know.

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« Reply #10 on: July 25, 2010, 10:42:43 PM »
Has anyone used an Epic 5 with D'Addario XL .045s set? I've had my Epic for almost a year already, and it came with a set of white silk string ends (don't know which brand) which sound great, but are starting to fade out a little bit. D'addarios are the somewhat best we can find currently around here (Caracas-Venezuela), and I've been reluctant to use those on the Epic, but needed be, I'll have to, unless I find something better (I'd love me some DRs, but nobody around here carries those!).

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« Reply #11 on: July 25, 2010, 11:10:07 PM »
For round wounds I have never had a problem with Dean Markley Blue Steel, they hold their tone for a long time as well .

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« Reply #12 on: July 26, 2010, 12:55:31 AM »
Theoretically, strings would flex perfectly and ideally and intonation adjustability would not be needed, but in real life, they behave quite differently.  In practice, the stiffness of strings at the ends tend to make them act like they are shorter than the measured length of the string, and you adjust the bridge to compensate for that stiffness.
 
As strings get thicker, you usually expect the strings to get more stiff and require more intonation adjustment.  But that's not guaranteed, because the stiffness is not only a function of gauge - the thickness of the core wire and wrap wires, construction, and materials all factor in too.  So, you should expect intonation adjustments will be required any time you change brands or gauges of strings.  Hopefully, if you replace your current strings with the same brand and gauge you *won't* have to reset the intonation!
 
Unfortunately, if the overall setup is appropriate, and the bridge doesn't have enough travel to bring it to proper intonation, you may not be able to use this particular string.  I love Rotosound Swing Bass strings too, but don't use them on my 5-string basses because I never had good results on the low-B.  This wasn't an intonation problem for me, but I found that the low B just sounds very different than the other 4 strings.  
 
It may be worth trying a different B-string, but that may be an expensive experiment.  
 
For what it's worth, I've had better luck with GHS Boomers and DR Low-Riders depending on the instrument, but don't like them as much as the Roto 4-string set.
 
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« Reply #13 on: July 26, 2010, 12:09:59 PM »
Hey Juan Carlos (jcdlc72), I'm brazilian and currently buy my strings directly from webstores like Guitarcenter, Juststrings or Musiciansfriend. Don't know about Venezuelan's importing laws, but I buy things with my international credit card and get those buys at home using regular post offices or courier services (like UPS or FedEx).
Not just a bass, this is an Alembic!

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« Reply #14 on: July 26, 2010, 05:36:48 PM »
David: Thanks for the explanation!!!