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« Reply #15 on: August 04, 2015, 04:27:33 PM »
I used to use the XLS 1000 ,but have since upgraded to the XLS 2000. More power and headroom. I play through 2 Mesa 4X10s and 2 GK RBH 115's.

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« Reply #16 on: August 13, 2015, 05:02:56 AM »
The Crown power amp has been working great for me! I have used it on every gig since receiving it, and I have been satisfied with the results. I've been running it bridged, with my F1-X connected from the full range jack to Channel 1 of the XLS1000. I am running my Greenboy Audio 215 from my power amp. At my last gig, I overheard my drummer say, Man, that rig is intimidating! Even though the cabinet with rack on top stands pretty tall, I do know how to work the volume knob to fit the needs of each gig!
 
I just got an XLR to TRS jumper cable to try using both channels of the power amp, as mentioned in one of the previous posts in this thread, so I can hear what that sounds like.
 
On a side note, I pulled out an old Carvin power amp that has been in my shed for years just to see if it worked. It does work, and very well! It's a HTM760M (I believe). I connected my Series basses directly to the power amp, and I really like the clear, powerful sound I get. I don't know if I will use that setup at gigs, but I've been experimenting with it at home. I am interested in hearing more from those of you who use such a setup, so I will begin a new thread for that subject!

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« Reply #17 on: August 13, 2015, 07:06:46 AM »
Good to know Rob, thanks for the info, was thinking to that power amp as well, although I don't need that much power.

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« Reply #18 on: August 18, 2015, 09:19:12 PM »
you will always need more power than you think.

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« Reply #19 on: August 19, 2015, 01:40:05 AM »
And usually less volume that you think too especially if you can persuade the band of that too.
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« Reply #20 on: August 19, 2015, 07:55:41 AM »
More power, less volume?..Amen!

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« Reply #21 on: August 21, 2015, 05:59:36 AM »
Well, I picked up a nice-condition F-1X secondhand... I'm going to give this tube-pre/power-amp setup a try. Going to play around with it using my Walkabout just set flat for a while, and shop a deal on a power amp later.  
 
One thing I'm just now realizing with Alembics is, once you get that stand-alone pure, natural sound, it's hard to go back. I never really thought my rig had a weakness per se... heck, it sounds pretty darn good, and when pushed will efficiently dislodge kidney stones - but it doesn't feel like it's allowing access to the full potential of my bass.  
 
Does that make any sense?

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« Reply #22 on: August 22, 2015, 07:43:09 AM »
EofH, what you're hearing is that most 'bass' amps most of us are used to (in, say, the 100 to 400 watt range) are going to skimp when it comes to pushing the fundamentals.  On the other hand, the preamp/power amp rig (built with a sufficiently large power amp, remember, 'overkill' really doesn't apply here) will simply push those 30 and 40hz foundations far, far more easily than most 'bass' amps.  This is the classic example of 'great big (power) amp turned up to 2'.  
 
While the idea of a 1000 watt or better bass stack sounds like a little much, at the levels you actually play at, it's very comfortably within its' best performance, as opposed to showing up on the gig and trying to keep up with the nitwit with his Marshall half-stack, and your rig is hanging on for dear life and crapping out.  It's not the idea of roasting the stage, but having quality tone at your usual levels as you've gained so much headroom.
 
The result of this sudden lack of distortion can be liberating for some, and 'too dry' for others.  It all depends on your ears, and what's upstream of the power amp.  But regardless, it's a real eye-opener the first time you hear those open E's, etc., so effortlessly clear.
 
All of this really re-enforces when Mica reminds that 'your instrument' is really the whole thing:  
 
(Bass+amplification+speakers) + player.
 
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« Reply #23 on: August 22, 2015, 01:36:01 PM »
E of H,
The phenomenon you are talking about, where you feel that anything interfering with the pure signal of the bass actually limits the tone potential, is something that becomes very obvious to the user when recording.  I spent the last 37 years as a session musician, and I always noticed that my Alembics had the best tone when recorded direct.  I always liked the Countryman direct boxes, and the Alembic straight into the board was always a more expansive tonal range than when I played live through a rig.  For the first 2/3 of my musical career, this was certainly the case, but as amplification has improved, and I figured out the secret to great tone with my F1X or F2B, there is certainly less of a dichotomy these days.  The key for me is a ton of fast solid state power, and the use of a properly maintained Alembic preamp.  
 Let me explain properly maintained.  Years ago, I remember arguing with Ron Wickersham about a perceived difference in tone between the F2B and F1X.  He kept saying there simply should not be any difference in the tone between the two, but I was absolutely sure of what I was hearing.  None of this was resolved for many years, until performing maintenance on one of my F1X preamps.  I had two of them, and could really hear a difference between them.  One simply did not have the clarity on the top end, and there was a marked lack of fullness in the low end.  This was exactly the issue I had noticed between F2Bs and F1Xs years prior.  The difference was it was now between two F1Xs.  After an exhausting search for the issue, Ron suggested I clean the corrosion of the mono output jack.  Apparently this jack design will corrode slightly where it combines the stereo signals, and this can lead to a diminished signal and thus loss of clarity.  One minute and a little emery cloth later, my faulty F1X was sounding as great as my other one, and to my surprise, exactly like my F2B!  So, Ron was right in that they should sound identical, but I was right in that there was a marked difference in the two particular preamps I was comparing due to the corroded output jack.  My advise to all of you out there who think your bass sounds limited by your use of an Alembic preamp, clean your output jack connections!

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« Reply #24 on: August 23, 2015, 07:38:31 AM »
Thanks for the advice fellas. It really does help sorting these things out when you've got some firsthand experience to work from. =)  
 
I do like the relatively simple principle of a pre-amp/power-amp/speaker as a bass rig. The The F-1X should be all the adjustment I need, so it's only the matter of amplifying *that*. I'm hoping my issue with the Walkabout is directly related to the preamp. Thing is, that sound is really specific to that amp... I mean, there's a whole following of players that have tried in vain to replicate the Walkabout front-end into an amp with more clean headroom. At some point, I seem to have realized the tone almost everyone else was looking for was not what I wanted... I like the sound of my bass amplified, not the tone of my bass amp's input pre-amp section. I swear it's not a swipe at the Walkabout - it's a great little amp. Heck, I have two of them, and plan to always have one.
 
There's a couple possibilities in our local Craigslist within 10 minutes of here. a Crown XLS 2500, and a QSC GX5, either of which I think can be had in the $200-$250 range.  
 
I need to do some more reading first, so I don't end up frying an incredible rig because I didn't have a clue how to use it. :hiding:

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« Reply #25 on: August 23, 2015, 09:46:37 AM »
A word if I may:  Yamaha.
 
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« Reply #26 on: August 24, 2015, 12:05:41 PM »
Any particular model Yamaha Coz? I'm just sniffing around right now, trying to get a feel for what I need.  
 
Up for discussion - what features should be considered essential for ease of use with an F-1X, yet get the maximum utilization?

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« Reply #27 on: August 24, 2015, 01:27:55 PM »
I'll second Peter on the Yamaha. I've been using the P2500 and P5000S which in stereo or bridged have plenty of power. They're not light at about 25-30 lbs. but they're not MacIntosh either. Got each slightly used for $200-250. Ultra-reliable, clean sound. They work extremely well with an F1-X and SF-2.

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« Reply #28 on: August 24, 2015, 04:16:30 PM »
Any particular model Yamaha Coz?
 
How much loud (and/or headroom) do you want?
 
The excellent P series Brian mentions (They & their '70s-'80s predecessors are what I'm familiar with) come in 250, 350, 500, and 700w/channel into 8 ohms;.  Some of their other lines go to at least 1350w/side.
 
Pure, clean reproduction & the only brand that's never crapped out on me mid-gig.
 
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« Reply #29 on: August 24, 2015, 04:49:24 PM »
I actually still have a few P2200'S doing various tasks. I get a about a nice 24O Watts RMS @ 8 OHMS per channel from them . They are convection cooled ( no fan)  and have earned the moniker of  Poor Mans , Bryston 4B-ST  in some studio circles .  
 They can be found for about $ 200-$400 .  
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