Author Topic: Cable type and wiring photos for 5 pin (Read 948 times)

charles_holmes · « **on:** March 21, 2015, 03:35:21 PM »

Hi everyone!
I would like to build a 5 pin cable. I found where to order the Neutrik female 5 pin right angle connector and Male 5 pin. Now I am not sure what type of cable to order( I looked on my cable from Alembic and it reads Belden 1192A) but when I tried to order it, it was nowhere to be found. Can someone out there please tell me where to order the cable I need ?...And what the cable is called. Lastly, does anyone have photos on connecting the Neutriks up to the cables? Thanks all!! I'd like to build a 60' 5 pin cable!!!!

keith_h · « **Reply #1 on:** March 21, 2015, 05:32:34 PM »

Charles,
What you are looking for is Star-Quad microphone cable. I like Canare L-4E6S. It has a braided shield like the Belden 1192A but is more flexible. You can find both by the foot at Markertek.

For wiring I just ensure that the same wire goes to the same terminal on both ends and that the shield goes to pin 1 and the ground lug.
For reference:
Pin 2 is the neck pickup signal
Pin 3 bridge pickup signal
Pin 4 is +V (+15V to +20V)
Pin 5 in -V (-15V to -20V)

Keith

StephenR · « **Reply #2 on:** March 21, 2015, 05:36:41 PM »

My suggestion would be Mogami cable. Mogami makes high end cables for recording studios and also sells their wire in bulk. They make some real nice instrument cables, too. Pretty sure you need to get balanced microphone cable. Good chance others will chime in with more suggestions/info. Good luck!

terryc · « **Reply #3 on:** March 22, 2015, 07:27:25 AM »

60'!! What you planning on doing, watching the band at the back of the room off stage whilst you play along?

charles_holmes · « **Reply #4 on:** March 22, 2015, 01:05:14 PM »

Yep Terry!!!I'm going to be incognito! The mystery bassist!

slawie · « **Reply #5 on:** March 22, 2015, 02:23:49 PM »

You should be aware of a phenomenon called volt drop.
The voltage supplied at the other end of a 60' cable would be
Somewhat attenuated.
The cable manufacturer should be able to provide data or try this;
http://www.calculator.net/voltage-drop-calculator.html
At 60' you should be OK
slawie

rustyg61 · « **Reply #6 on:** March 22, 2015, 06:21:14 PM »

Chalie, I took Keith's advice when I was building my spare cable for my Europa & went with the Canare L-4E6S. I got mine from New York Pro Audio on Ebay for $11/10'. I bought 20', so it was $22 & came as one full 20' length of cable. Here is the link -

http://www.ebay.com/itm/CANARE-L-4E6S-STAR-QUAD-BALANCED-MICROPHONE-CABLE-BULK-UNTERMINATED-10-BLUE-/130625922467?ssPageName=ADME:LC:US:3160

The Canare is much more flexible than the standard cable. I roll mine up into a 4 coil to fit inside my case with no problem. My situation was the opposite of yours though, I wanted a shorter cable than the one the bass came with. I'm rarely more than 10' from my amp at the small venues we play, so I wanted a shorter cable. The Canare comes in colors too, so of course I had to get blue to match my Blue Orca!

Here are the Neutrik connectors I used -

http://www.markertek.com/product/nc5mx-b/neutrik-nc5mx-b-5-pin-xlr-m-cable-plug-w-black-shell-gold-contacts

http://www.markertek.com/product/nc5frx-b/neutrik-nc5frx-b-5-pin-right-angle-xlr-f-black-shell-gold-contacts

Here's the wiring diagram, the Canare is a 4 conductor cable with a shield, so you use the shield as the ground -

Here's the finished cable in use -

(Message edited by rustyg61 on March 22, 2015)

rustyg61 · « **Reply #7 on:** March 22, 2015, 06:28:47 PM »

Not sure why my links aren't active on my post, but you can copy & paste them into a new browser page & they work.

Maybe one of the moderators can activate my links....

mica · « **Reply #8 on:** March 23, 2015, 12:53:14 PM »

We make 100' cables for Stanley Clarke - so 60' should be no problem. We prefer the Belden 8424 but it's difficult to get in the boot of the connector. We're using it now. I've also like the Gotham Audio Star Quad cable, but it's a little delicate for the way most people (and techs) handle it.

edwin · « **Reply #9 on:** March 24, 2015, 10:08:09 PM »

Hey, my cable is blue, too! I think it's Mogami. All of the above are good brands.

I've been looking for a good option to combine in ears and the 5 pin in one cable. Maybe two channel Star Quad snake cable....

edwin · « **Reply #10 on:** March 24, 2015, 10:38:04 PM »

The Belden 8424 looks like a great option. Nice fat wires at 20 ga. Most star quad is 1/2 24 gauge at best. I might get some for my next build.

keith_h · « **Reply #11 on:** March 25, 2015, 04:55:11 AM »

The Canare uses 21 AWG wire which is another reason I like it.

Keith

edwin · « **Reply #12 on:** March 25, 2015, 07:47:25 AM »

Not exactly. The specs at the Canare website have the following clarification:

Cond-AWG (Qty./mil) Cross Sec.
Area mil.?
**Quad AWG

AC - #24
40/3.15
310
#21

**Effective AWG of combined twin conductors.

I know the layout here is confusing, but the website says:

http://www.canare.com/ProductItemDisplay.aspx?productItemID=53

So far the Belden is the clear winner when it comes to wire gauge.

keith_h · « **Reply #13 on:** March 25, 2015, 08:47:50 AM »

Oops. Haven't looked at the mechanical specs for a long time and just stopped at the 21 AWG in the summary.

Won't argue on the 8424. It isn't cheap though.

Keith

charles_holmes · « **Reply #14 on:** March 25, 2015, 02:00:32 PM »

Thanks guys! I'm torn between building it myself or having the mothership hook it up. Mica, how much would Alembic charge to do this?
Here's my email bajarone123@comcast.net
Thank you!