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DanFrank

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« on: September 09, 2015, 06:02:08 PM »
Does anyone have a recommendation to polish out fine scratches on an '86 spoiler?

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« Reply #1 on: September 09, 2015, 06:25:29 PM »
I've used Commandant for removing a vague spot on my '88 Spoiler, very easy and great result. :-) (applied and polished with a soft cloth)
 
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« Reply #2 on: September 10, 2015, 03:49:47 AM »
Similarly, Meguiar's rubbing compound - I'd probably start with about #7 grit... those don't look too deep. If that isn't doing it, back up to #4.  
 
You're killin' me with these little pictures Dan! How about posting a full-frontal of that thing? =)
 
Seriously, man - congrats on finally finding a 5'r.

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« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2015, 05:05:22 AM »
Thanks for the recommendations on the polish guys, appreciate it very much!
 
Greg, I had to use that small photo to visualize the scratches?otherwise, they are not noticeable from the current owner's perspective.  
 
Actually, I bought the 5-string that Ricky recently purchased under Introductions of the Alembic Club.  I tried to convince the original owner that he bought it from to ship it to PA from Miami when I saw it posted on their local Craigslist, but he didn't want to be bothered. with shipping it.  Ricky lives in the Miami area and bought it for a obscene price.  Even though I offered much more to the original owner, he just wanted to get the deal done but he gave me the new Ricky's contact info, so I called him.  After talking to Ricky for quite some time over the course of a week, he sold it to me for a very fair price.  So it was a win-win situation for the both of us.  Ricky's a very classy guy and true musician and gentleman.  Moreover, we both are bassists for Christian rock music played at our churches.  He's also a fine classical guitarist as well with advanced education and training in music.  What a great guy and I feel I have a new friend in this process as well!  
 
The bass is in transit from Miami to Allentown and will arrive at my location tomorrow, so I'm counting the hours now.  I don't have small enough pics to upload but here's the Alembic Club link to his original post after he purchased it, which shows the photos of this beautiful, underplayed beast! :-)  The time waited has finally paid off.
 
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« Reply #4 on: September 10, 2015, 06:02:14 AM »
Oh, I already knew about that one. =)
 
I was thinking it was a funny coincidence two 5-string Spoilers popped up within days of each other. I had actually corresponded with Ricky on another forum (TalkBass) about it, and directed him here for advice. Kinda' surprised he didn't hang onto it, but I'm tickled you ended up with exactly what you were looking for.  These 1980's 5-strings are not common.  
 
And yeah, Ricky's a class act through-n-through! We have done a couple deals on strings before.  
 
Congrats & Compliments Dan!

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« Reply #5 on: September 10, 2015, 10:51:36 AM »
Thanks Greg!  I have read that the 80's Spoilers are great with a big sound!  I doubt I'll be disappointed.  This one had a custom tapered neck, so I think it will avoid the narrow neck problem I've heard about as well.  I will be keeping my 4-string Persuader and selling my 6-string Ibanez Prestige SR5006.
 
Ricky is very articulate and knows the sound he wants for his music.  Although he was very impressed, I think he had some issues finding the tone he desired without a pre-amp, etc.  His ears are looking for the tones he currently produces with his Roger bass jazz 5 and his 4-string fretless Celinder Vintage P-bass.  Combined with the fact that my price compensated him very fairly, it probably was more advantageous for him to sell this one and use the money for other purposes.  He's very impressed with the playability and tonal range though, as I'm sure he would confirm.  We both think it was a win-win!!

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« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2015, 12:03:25 PM »
:-)
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« Reply #8 on: September 10, 2015, 11:59:41 PM »
Good for you Dan, you've been around and watching for a while, and I'm tickled you got this axe.
 
I have a Spoiler Five with the 'Deluxe Laminates', the three-stripe purpleheart neckthru, and in conjunction with the ebony fingerboard, it's VERY stable.  I do imagine it may move a bit transitioning from Miami's climate to PA, but on the other hand, any guitar from the 80's (like mine) is through pulling 'new wood tricks' and it may not notice any difference in its' surroundings.
 
Nice looking axe.  For 'paint and body', I always use Meguiars:  This is derived from the 'Chuck Berry Theorem' which basically states if it works on cars, it'll work on guitars.  The brass will shine right up with a little work, and those scratches can be carefully dispatched.  Don't forget to oil your fingerboard, and I'd recommend just a little lube in the adj nut screws and the bridge threads (I prefer BreakFree).
 
Congrats, I know you've been looking for a while, and it sure looks like you've come up roses !
 
Now I'll add the 'First Alembic' caution:  In many ways, this is NOT going to be like other axes you've played.  You WILL hear things you never heard before, and you will wonder why all of a sudden I'm not near as good as I thought I was.  We've all been there, and it will pass.  These axes will teach you to hear and play better, but while you may take to it like a duck to water, don't be surprised if suddenly . . . . everything is maddeningly different !
 
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« Reply #9 on: September 11, 2015, 01:29:35 AM »
Joey..Your last paragraph is what I found out 17 years ago when I got my MK Signature, I thought 'is there something wrong with this bass ?' No there wasn't it was me !
Suddenly you have to re learn and get rid of all those bad habits that lesser basses let you get away with !
A big learning curve indeed, the term accurate fretting did really come into play !

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« Reply #10 on: September 11, 2015, 04:45:43 AM »
I can second that, as well as damping ringing notes there is the chink of the string hitting the fret as you finger the note in the fraction of a second before you play it. You get that on most guitars to some degree when you use more top end but it really comes out on these basses.
 
I hope you have a great experience with your bass. It's good to have something different to the norm.
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« Reply #11 on: September 11, 2015, 04:57:43 AM »
Thanks Joey!  I have been looking for a nice 5-string that I hoped to afford for almost 2 years.  The wait was definitely worth it!  
 
I have owned an '89 Persuader since last December, which is a 4-string with coco bolo face.  It is beautiful and I love it.  I do know what you mean by hearing those bad habits once you own an Alembic, but with all your experience, I'd love to hear some of those things you learned that had to be re-learned when you finally bought an Alembic.  
 
I plan to get the Meguiar's for the body, Flitz for the brass, Lemon Oil for the fretboard, and I'll look for the BreakFree for the threads.
 
I noticed some play in the selector switch but maybe that's normal because it works fine.  I cycled it about 50 times to wear any oxide off the contracts.  My Persuader has volume controls on each pickup.  The selector positions give 3 fixed positions for pickup combinations that produced 3 distinct timbres, regardless of the other controls.
 
It's my first experience with a Q-switch.  It's an interesting effect and although I know it raises the dB level, I didn't get the impression that it raised all frequencies the same, or maybe I just didn't notice it.  It seemed to enhance the frequencies at wherever the cutoff was adjusted at the filter.
 
I love the neck and its playability?very comfortable and I do get the feeling of stability.
 
I found it interesting that the locking screw on the nut is under the A-string.  It's obvious because that is the center for a 5 string, but it makes adjustments a bit more difficult.  But with the stable neck, I doubt I'll be changing it as much.
 
If anyone reads this and knows a good thread to read about pickup adjustment and a general discussion about strings, I'd really love to read them.
 
I don't know, maybe it was the roses,
All I know I could not leave her there.
 
Thanks so much!
 
 
 

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« Reply #12 on: September 11, 2015, 06:00:42 AM »
That's a lovely duo! :-)
 
With the Spoiler, you can set the pickup height at any preferred position and adjust the output with the two trimpots in the controls cavity: http://club.alembic.com/Images/16271/24781.html
 
Most likely the Persuader will have only one trimpot, you can set the overall output to match the Spoiler.
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« Reply #13 on: September 11, 2015, 06:15:00 AM »
The Q-switch as you noticed boosts the frequency at the current setting of the filter. I think it is 9db for the Spoiler. Some folks find the boost of 9db to be too much and will go with a 3 position switch to have some middle ground. If it sounds interesting you can order it from Alembic.  
 
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« Reply #14 on: September 11, 2015, 10:29:24 AM »
Most of the effect of the Q-switch is at the very start of each note you play. It's definitely not the same as boosting bass or treble by 8 dB.
 
The best way to hear it is by doing some popping-and-slapping, with the filter wide open, first with the Q switch off (pointing up) and then the same with the Q switch on (pointing down). I'm one of those who found the 8 dB boost on the Spoiler a little harsh, so I had mine replaced with a 3-position one (0, 3 and 6 dB) - much better, at least to my ears. I also tend to leave the filter wide open, but that might just be because koa is not exactly a bright sounding top wood (it more than makes up for that in the looks department).
 
On a sustaining note, the effect of the Q-switch is minimal, though with the Q-switch on you will hear a gentle wah effect as you turn the filter knob.
 
Happy tone hunting!