Author Topic: Oh my aching back....  (Read 1084 times)

bigbadbill

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« on: November 13, 2006, 12:35:49 PM »
Ok, this isn't so much a fun story. (in fact maybe should be in troubleshooting...).
 
I have for some years now (since '96 to be precise) suffered from back and neck problems; a bad disc in my lumbar spine and one in my cervical spine. Both cause me no end of grief when it comes to playing bass, but I seem to be able to manage ok with my Rickenbackers; reasonable weight, and I've been playing Rics for 20-odd years now so I guess my body is used to them. The bad news is that it isn't coping at all well with my Alembic Triple O. This, as some of you will know, was my dream guitar, and when I finally got it in 2004 (?) I was over the moon. Knowing it was big-bodied, I had mine built hollow to lessen the stress. Even so, it weighs in at over ten pounds, and maybe it's that, or the centre of gravity, but it's giving me bad back problems nowadays. Yesterday I played it for around an hour and today I felt like I'd taken part in the Ultimate Fighting Championship. It exacerbates my back pain and causes tingling/numbness in my legs. Unfortunately it's not very comfortable to play sitting down (I knew this when I ordered it but desperately wanted the Triple O shape).  
 
So, I have a dilemma. I love it to bits, but it's becoming increasingly difficult to play standing, and it's not very comfortable sitting. I don't really want to sell it either, but am starting to wonder if it's the only option left. What do you do when your dream turns out to be heavier than you can handle?  
 
Any suggestions would be appreciated.  BTW, I've used all the sprung straps (Comfort, Overwater etc).

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« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2006, 12:50:13 PM »
Why not put in an end pin and play it like an upright. I've experimented with just that thing on a coupla other basses (Not Alembics).  
 
You could mount it on something like a cymbal stand. I have a Dean Pace electric upright that has a stand with a ball joint where the bass connects. Sorry for your back problems, Shaun. When your back hurts, everything hurts. Good Luck!
 
David

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« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2006, 01:59:35 PM »
Shaun, does your back give you trouble with any other daily activities?  The reason I ask, it may be time to address the back and not the bass.  I am about your age and over the years I have had my lumbar and cervical areas rebuilt by top notch sugeons and I feel great! These days I run, stretch, weightlift better than in my 20's. I have a heavy Distillate and an old 11lbs. G&L bass, no problems.  I assume you have done the pyhysical therapy route?  Hang in there.
Southpaw

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« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2006, 04:25:17 PM »
Shaun,
I gave up my Series 1 - 4 string and the John Judge doubleneck special when my back gave me grief. I got a Modulus Quantum 5 TBX neck thru and Activated it. It helped for years until I longed for the true Alembic sound again. I now have an Europa 6 and an Epic 5 fretless. When I had the heavyweights, I opted for the widest strap I could find to distribute the weight out across my shoulder. For the doubleneck, I made a custom 5 wide leather strap. Now, I use the 4 wide Moody Alembic straps, and have had sucess. I suggest specific back exercises to strengthen your abs and legs to help the back out. The kind you learned in physical therapy? Check with your doctor. I always feel better playing bass when I work out first. You can try an abdominal belt for additional support - The kind used by weight lifters, or UPS stock clerks.
Here's to your good health!
Kris

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« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2006, 06:51:06 PM »
Shaun,
One thing you may try is redistributing the bass's weight.  Try making a harness that attaches the bass to your body so that the weight is supported by a strap/belt around your waist.  That way it puts the weight on your hips not your back.  You could have a strap over your shoulder that just keeps the body upright rather than supporting all the weight.
Most people seem to assume that there is only one way to wear a guitar.  I had an injury 30+ years ago that forced me to create a new way to strap on a bass (righty player with the strap over my right shoulder).  
You could buy about ten feet of cheap strap material, pin it together with safety pins, cut it if necessary, and experiment with it until it feels right.  Once you get the dimensions right you could have someone sew one like you want it.
Good luck to you.
Rich

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« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2006, 09:31:02 PM »
There is a strap out there that your instrument  
hooks up to sort of a utility back brace that workers in warehouses and shipping companies use everyday.
I'll see if I can find it and post a link.

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« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2006, 11:31:41 PM »
Hi Smokin, I had one of those straps you are talking about  years ago. However you had to actually fit a mounting plate onto the back of your guitar and the strap fitted to the back of that. The jack output was also on the strap so you had to re-wire the output through a hole in the back into the strap mounting plate.  
You then balanced the guitar fairly body central and you could spin the guitar round like a propellar with it on if you so wished.
 
I only used it on a guitar I made myself. I found it fairly comfortable but didn't like it really.
 
Apparently ZZ top used them on their guitars at the time they used to spin their guitars round like propellers on stage.
 
Here is something similar.
http://www.wittman-spins.com/spinstraps.html
 
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« Reply #7 on: November 14, 2006, 05:26:56 AM »
There was something that was made for a while called the bass brace. The website www.bassbrace.com seems to have gone.
But a google search may bring up some old info.

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« Reply #8 on: November 14, 2006, 07:49:31 AM »
Slider Straps makes 3 models of 2-shoulder harness straps, without a spinner plate or rewiring - they hook to your strap buttons in the normal fashion.  You can find them at Musician's Friend.  
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Slider-Straps-Dual-Shoulder-Strap?sku=365260
(Sorry, I haven't got the hang of the shortened link - I'm a Bad Person)
Peter
 
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« Reply #9 on: November 14, 2006, 10:00:45 AM »
Many thanks for all the comments, suggestions and support I've received, it really is much appreciated.  
 
With regards to physio/exercise, I've undergone numerous bouts of physio over the past several years, none of them successful. In fact my last physio admitted she was baffled by some of the symptoms I was showing; this was before my MRI scan. I'm currently awaiting a further course in January.  
 
In terms of surgery, following my MRI, the surgeon I was under, who initially seemed pretty convinced I was some sort of moaner, declared that I did have problems but he couldn't help me; I'd previously had the same from another orthopaedic surgeon. No luck there then.  
 
I've undergone various bouts of acupuncture, sometimes with slight results, sometimes with none. I've been having chiropractic for years now, but it aggravates my condition nearly as often as it helps.  
 
I used to weight train regularly, but after my problems started found that pretty much everything I did aggravated something; I get muscle spasms through both arms, legs, pelvis (including locking of pelvis and associated  - and rather unpleasant - problems). I get really bad neck and back pain & spasms, tingling in my face, arms & legs, problems with my hands & feet....you get the picture. Anyway, going private would be the only option for me in the UK and to do that I'd have to sell the Alembic anyway! Also, I used to do a job where I was involved in assessing people who had all sorts of physical disabilites, and in every single instance where someone had had a back op (I'm talking hundreds), even where it had initially caused an improvement, it had eventually deteriorated way past the original point, so I'm rather antsy about back surgery. I'm glad to hear it worked out for you though Southpaw, and more power to you; hopefully with the work you're doing it'll keep improving. It may be that top notch surgeons have something to do with this, as the ones I've met have showed no interest given that I'm still able to walk. Still, hopefully they are helping those who are worse than me, so I mustn't grumble.  
 
Of the other remedies suggested, I will try and get hold of a slider strap. If that doesn't work, then I may just have to sell her; as much as I love the bass it's not worth the pain! Almost, but not quite...it will be a sad, sad day if it comes to that however. Fingers crossed.
 
Once again, thanks to all for your comments, they're really much appreciated.

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« Reply #10 on: November 14, 2006, 10:17:29 AM »
In post #2 David mentioned the use of a stand. That was my initial thought - elinimate any need to bodily support the bass. Steve Howe uses one to this day to facilitate use of multiple guitars without needing to "switch". I would imagine that something like that could be found/modified for bass. something like this:

 


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« Reply #11 on: November 14, 2006, 10:58:01 AM »
Hang in there Shaun! It sounds like some serious disk shifting and nerve pressure causing the pain, tingling, etc... I know the feeling.
I am fortunate to have good insurance that allows me to pick my own doctors, so I found the best I could. It took a long time and many doctor visits to find the right people, but it was worth it.  
These days, I kind of like sitting down when I play, so maybe try a nice chair or stool, it works for some of the old blues/jazz players in my area. All the best to you.

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« Reply #12 on: November 14, 2006, 01:24:09 PM »
Thanks guys, I'll hang on in there. The situation in the UK isn't that great really. Fantastic having the NHS providing you're a priority, but when you're not, no interest. I wish I'd taken out private insurance before my back went, but now it's in every clause, so I'd be paying full whack for anything done; it's taken me 3 years to pay for my Alembic so financially it's not good, although if needs must...we'll see. Anyway thanks again guys and all the best to you too.

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« Reply #13 on: November 14, 2006, 02:26:12 PM »
Shaun,
I can't give any advice that hasn't already been given but my best to you.  Here's hoping everything works out.  I remember how excited you were about the Triple O.  It would be a shame to give her up.  Besides you're the only one who can pronounce Sorne-Raama.
 
Sam

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« Reply #14 on: November 14, 2006, 02:49:49 PM »
I knew somebody here could find what I was talking about.
 
I sure couldn't......DOH.