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xarkon

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« on: December 31, 2015, 07:35:27 AM »
In preparation for becoming an Alembic owner - I have a used Darling guitar on the way - I've been reading lots of posts in the forums.
 
I skimmed through the ones on oiling the fretboard (referenced here: http://club.alembic.com/index.php?topic=210), and thought I would make another suggestion.
 
Fret Doctor/Bore Doctor. See here for the Fret Doctor page: http://www.beafifer.com/boredoctor.htm and here for the chemist who originally developed this for woodwind instruments: http://doctorsprod.com/cbuy/supplies/wood-care
 
Disclaimer: I have no financial interest/relationship with either party; I have met and talked to Dr. Henderson at a conference.
 
I came across this product because I play clarinet. Clarinets and oboes are usually made of a wood called grenadilla or African Blackwood; see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalbergia_melanoxylon. It's related to rosewood. To help prevent cracking and other issues, I regularly swab the bore of my instruments with bore oil. The problem is that many of the bore oils sold are actually mineral oil and probably do far more harm than good. 
 
I started using Bore Doctor on my guitar and bass fretboards out of simple association. Hey, it's good for grenadilla; and grenadilla is like rosewood, so why not? And have had excellent results.
 
Some other woodwind repairmen use pharmaceutical grade almond oil or other similar combinations. See http://www.naylors-woodwind-repair.com (and some of the articles on the site) for more information.
 
YMMV and all that; but just thought this information might be useful to forum members.
 
Dave
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« Reply #1 on: December 31, 2015, 08:05:15 AM »
Dave:
 
Welcome to the club and congrats on your new Alembic!  If you poke around here some more you will find other threads on this topic.  I, like many others here, use pure food grade lemon oil, as recommended by Alembic.    
 
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« Reply #2 on: December 31, 2015, 09:02:31 AM »
Go to a Natural Food Store and purchase Citrus Limonum which is Pure Lemon Oil. Or take a look in the Natural Foods aisle in the regular market where you shop & it might be there. Another alternative is to google where to buy Citrus Limonum Congratulations on the purchase of your Darling & don't forget that we here love photos!
 
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« Reply #3 on: December 31, 2015, 10:17:03 AM »
Hi Dave; welcome to the club, and congrats on the Darling!
 
And Happy New Year!

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« Reply #4 on: December 31, 2015, 10:27:50 AM »
I order mine online from Boyajian.  Their website is boyajianinc.com.  
 
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« Reply #5 on: December 31, 2015, 11:46:38 AM »
I buy mine in the aroma therapy section of Whole Foods. Just look for the pure essential lemon oil.
 
All of this reminds my that my basses are due for an oiling. With all of the rain and grey we've had for the past week the smell of lemon oil should be a good pick me up.  
 
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« Reply #6 on: December 31, 2015, 12:04:47 PM »
Whole Foods is where I get mine as well .  
Aura Cacia brand 100% pure essential lemon oil .
 
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« Reply #7 on: December 31, 2015, 06:37:12 PM »
Dave, thanks for the heads up on the Fret Doctor! I think I learned more off that one page than I ever had from any other source (including what hand rubbed actually means). I ordered the small bottle of the Fret Doctor.

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« Reply #8 on: December 31, 2015, 06:47:52 PM »
Fret Doctor is all I use. Heard about it many, many years ago over on the Les Paul Forum. The guys swear by it, so I gave it a shot and haven't looked back. Does a wonderful job conditioning the wood and darkens it up a bit. FWIW, it's quite a bit cheaper ordering it direct from the Doctor's site and not going through www.beafifer.com.

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« Reply #9 on: December 31, 2015, 09:55:33 PM »
Thanks, I'll keep that in mind for when I need more, in 2045 or so. I did have the momentary thought that it might not be such a good thing, supporting people who obviously go bonkers over fifes and piccolos. Can you imagine what it must be like for their families? Mommy, can you make daddy stop making those noises? It sends the dog into convulsions and makes my ears bleed, especially when he plays along with my Justin Bieber CDs!

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« Reply #10 on: January 04, 2016, 07:39:05 AM »
I bought a bottle of Old English lemon oil for the shop like 20 years ago... I've had it for so long the label finally disintegrated. I have no idea what the shelf life is on that stuff, probably should replace it. Heck, it still soaks in and smells lemon-y... more like coconut really. Just used some last night on a dried up old mandolin fingerboard.

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« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2016, 08:13:06 AM »
I Remember back in the day  when I saw luthiers use NAPHTHA for cleaning fingerboards to clean off a very dirty specimen in particular.
  Lemon oil was applied after the naphtha cleaning.  I often saw the naphtha used to get gunk off around the frets .Zippo lighter fluid also was manly naphtha.
 Does anyone else remember that ? It seems that Naphtha is not available in California anymore.  
 
 
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« Reply #12 on: January 04, 2016, 09:43:39 AM »
I got a good sized tin of naphtha at a paint store, but that was a few years back. It's the best for finger gunk removal, also good for some varieties of sticker adhesive residue.

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« Reply #13 on: January 04, 2016, 10:08:37 AM »
Olde English lemon oil isn't lemon oil, it's a petroleum product and its use is discouraged for fingerboards. It puts too much gunk into the grain of the wood.  
 
I was an oboist for about 10 years. I used bore oil on my Lor?e regularly and it was one of the few I knew of back then that didn't have any cracks in it. Good stuff.

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« Reply #14 on: January 04, 2016, 11:36:32 AM »
Naphtha (a 4,000 year old name, from Ancient Persian by way of the Greeks) is a loose term adapted by chemical companies in the 20th century to refer specifically to benzene, the most carcinogenic substance known to man.
 
From https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benzene#Health_effects
 
quote:Benzene increases the risk of cancer and other illnesses. Benzene is a notorious cause of bone marrow failure. Substantial quantities of epidemiologic, clinical, and laboratory data link benzene to aplastic anemia, acute leukemia, and bone marrow abnormalities. The specific hematologic malignancies that benzene is associated with include: acute myeloid leukemia (AML), aplastic anemia, myelodysplastic syndrome (MDS), acute lymphoblastic leukemia (ALL), and chronic myeloid leukemia (CML).
 
The American Petroleum Institute (API) stated in 1948 that it is generally considered that the only absolutely safe concentration for benzene is zero.  
 
The US Department of Health and Human Services (DHHS) classifies benzene as a human carcinogen. Long-term exposure to excessive levels of benzene in the air causes leukemia, a potentially fatal cancer of the blood-forming organs. In particular, acute myeloid leukemia or acute nonlymphocytic leukemia (AML & ANLL) is not disputed to be caused by benzene. IARC rated benzene as known to be carcinogenic to humans
 
It bears repeating: acute myeloid leukemia or acute nonlymphocytic leukemia (AML & ANLL) is not disputed to be caused by benzene.
 
Naphtha/benzene is better known as lighter fluid (check that Ronsonol label, Zippo users. See benzene listed anywhere?)
 
OSHA and NIOSH set the legal limit of exposure to naphtha/benzene at 100 parts per million over an 8-hour period. That's an insanely miniscule amount.  
 
Slightly higher levels of exposure (1000 ppm) are categorized as Immediate Danger to Life or Health.
 
Having said all that, I worked in shipyards for many years, where exposure to benzene and other toxic compounds was rampant.  
 
We used fire blankets made from asbestos when cutting or welding near anything that could be damaged by heat or sparks. Benzene is a primary component of cutting oil and machining lubricants, and we used tri-chlor (another ghastly poison) to clean it off parts.  
 
Plus, I smoked. Luckily I never used a Zippo, but only because a stray spark could land in your chest pocket and cause it to explode, not something you want to happen inches from your heart.
 
Everybody knows my love for lemon pledge, and god only knows what's in that stuff.  
 
My point is that I'm not merely being pedantic about this. I'm genuinely concerned about the dangers, especially because I've been exposed to such huge amounts myself.
 
Read the Doctor Frets link in the OP, which discusses the different types of oils and waxes used on fretboards, and their limitations (Greg, your Old English lemon oil might be just lemon-scented mineral oil, according to that article.)
 
Be careful. As Dr. Gonzo put it (ironically, as it turned out):
 
quote:Kill the body, and the head will die.