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sonicus

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Re: Post a pic playing your Alembic!
« Reply #405 on: December 09, 2015, 09:18:59 AM »
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Re: Post a pic playing your Alembic!
« Reply #406 on: December 09, 2015, 09:25:51 AM »
Wow...I show up at a gig with 1 AccuGroove El Whappo and everyone panics.

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Re: Post a pic playing your Alembic!
« Reply #407 on: December 09, 2015, 11:02:08 AM »
I take a different approach to bass than most. I use Sony MDR-7506 headphones for everything, and you should too. But you won't know why - I mean really have the lightbulb appear above your head - until you do it yourself.  
 
No amount of my yammering can possibly convey what listening to your own rig through flat-response headphones can teach you in thirty seconds.
 
And that's just the first part. The second - and most important - part is to listen to your rig with drums, at full roar from across the room! Again, you won't really get it until you do it yourself. The reason is because drums do all sorts of weird *trump to your bass tone and unless you're hip to it you won't even know about it until you're halfway through the first song.
 
Drums soak up all kinds of lows and mids, and I'll make a flat-out prediction here that your drummer doesn't own a tuner (if they do, buy them gifts. Talk nicely to them. That's a unicorn drummer, and they're far and few between).
 
If the floor tom and bass drum(s) are out of tune with each other by even a few cents (much less, tuned to whatever tuning your drummer thought sounded spiffy in his basement) there goes your carefully-crafted 250-500 punch.  
 
You can throw as much wattage as you want at it, but it'll still sound flabby, like someone beating a headboard against the wall in the next room at a cheap hotel (I've actually experienced this way too many times on tour). Buy your drummer a $15 tuner and have him pick a key (G is popular) and your life will improve immeasurably.  
 
The reason you want to hear your rig from across the room (don't you love wireless?) with a drummer bashing away is simply because we don't have ears in our knees. Standing in front of a bass amp (or worse, beside it) is the absolute worst place in the room to hear your bass. Sound waves from low notes are fifty feet long.  
 
Low frequencies are omnidirectional (which is why you can hide the woofer from your home entertainment setup behind the couch) and denote power, and higher frequencies are directional, and denote definition.
 
I used a minimoog for decades (mostly for Dreamweaver, ha ha) and discovered that calling up a saw toothed wave and lopping the top off gives you a colorless bassoon-like tone, but adding high frequencies back gives you everything from a piercing solo violin screech to a mellow oboe sound, and everything in between.
 
The more you fiddle with those upper harmonics and partials, the more it defines the characteristics of vastly different instruments. It's the same thing with digital modeling, because that's what they sampled in the first place! (All synthesis comes down to basically four waveforms.)
 
It's the same balancing act with electric bass with drums, whether you're aware of it or not. (They don't call you a rhythm section for nothin', stud.) Its all about the sound of the ensemble, and the nice thing is that when you get your power dialed in with the drums, your sound is defined by what you do with the upper harmonics.
 
 
*my new word for the same old ... well, you know.

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Re: Post a pic playing your Alembic!
« Reply #408 on: December 09, 2015, 12:55:36 PM »
Steve, I'm with you! I'll take my 58 pound El Whappo over any rig on the planet! I can't imagine anything sounding better!
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willie

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Re: Post a pic playing your Alembic!
« Reply #409 on: December 09, 2015, 01:25:39 PM »
I actually use very expensive flat response headphones most of the time when I play at home. I don't even turn on any power amps. Can't. I live in an apartment. So I know the sound through headphones. And although for noise and interference problems I prefer to use a cord when playing live I have used my wireless system to stand next to the soundman while he set my sound because I didn't want him trying to make my Alembic sound like a Fender Precision Bass. Which is all a lot of them know. With all that said. There is nothing like feeling the power of that Rig hitting you in the back and feeling the stage shake and your pant legs moving from the air moving. Headphones can't do that! To each his own. Most concert stages are clear of Backline amplification anyway nowadays with everyone using in ear monitors. But I like to Feel the Bass as well as hear it! I have seen some other people say that a good tube pre amp with a high powered PA style amp is a different sound compared to any combo or Hybrid setup. I totally agree. And I have certainly had enough people ,(Guitar Players), complain when they see a large Bass Rig. Tried explaining about sound reproduction.  I'm tired of that argument!

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Re: Post a pic playing your Alembic!
« Reply #410 on: December 09, 2015, 03:24:19 PM »
Rustyg61...I play an Orion 6,an Epic 5, and a cool Mexi-Jazz through an original SWR 750 through originally an AccuGroove Tri210XL, and now an El Whappo. The amp is set dead flat and that's it. Pure tonal madness. Mark Wright is a bloody genius.

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Re: Post a pic playing your Alembic!
« Reply #411 on: December 09, 2015, 03:28:42 PM »
Rustyg61...we need to let Alembic players know about AccuGroove, especially the El Whappo. Mark Wright has solved the bass cabinet issue.
 
Apologies for the double post.
 
(Message edited by Alembickoa on December 09, 2015)

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Re: Post a pic playing your Alembic!
« Reply #412 on: December 10, 2015, 06:13:38 AM »
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Re: Post a pic playing your Alembic!
« Reply #413 on: December 10, 2015, 09:28:48 AM »
Steve, I totally agree with you about the El Whappos! Mark Wright is to speakers cabinets as Ron Wickersham is to basses & guitars! I often tell people that AccuGroove is the Alembic of speaker cabinets! I also have a Wedgie & use it for most gigs. It is more than adequate to keep up with the 2 guitars & acoustic drums in my classic rock band. I use the El Whappo for large venues or outdoors, but at only 58 pounds I could easily use it at every gig. I take every opportunity to sing the praises of both Alembic & AccuGroove, they are truly a match made in Heaven!
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Re: Post a pic playing your Alembic!
« Reply #414 on: December 10, 2015, 01:00:06 PM »
I thought this thread was about pictures of people playing their Basses. Seems to have gone off into Bass cabinet preferences. I know about the El Whappo. I didn't build my system blind. I've been studying speaker cabinet design and sound reproduction for years. I have another cabinet that is a 3 way isolated cabinet. Although because of the magnets it is heavier than the El Whappo and is 3 way. Not 4 way. I don't use compression horns. I don't use 10 woofers. My system may weigh more. But I'll put it up against anything out there. It is a 3 way system. With the different frequency ranges separately compressed, amplified and then reproduced by the correct driver for that frequency range. I'm sure I would love the sound of the El Whappo. It is the sound I was trying to create. I just did it on a large scale. And I prefer conventional magnets to Neo's. They may weigh less. But I wasn't going for light weight. I was going for TONE!!! I'll post a picture of my 3 way isolated cabinet that I designed and built with my brother. He is a master carpenter. Anyone have any pictures of themselves playing their Basses?

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Re: Post a pic playing your Alembic!
« Reply #415 on: December 11, 2015, 12:12:18 AM »
Yeah things have gone astray a little but still interesting to read. Anyway, here is a thread re-alighment picture... :-)

This was taken at the Symphony Hall, Birmingham at the annual ArtsFest in 2010.
That bass hasn't seen much stage action in recent years, and hopefully next year that will change.
The sound of Alembic is medicine for the soul!
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Re: Post a pic playing your Alembic!
« Reply #416 on: December 11, 2015, 01:54:55 AM »
ed_zep wrote: I take a different approach to bass than most.
 
N00b here, sorta wandered in by accident.
 
I remember ed_zep from another forum. He gave me some good advice - just wanted to say Hi.

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Re: Post a pic playing your Alembic!
« Reply #417 on: December 11, 2015, 02:48:39 AM »
Willie, AccuGroove uses 2 soft dome tweeters, not compression horns. The highs are much smoother than my Eden cabinets.
 
Jazzyvee, great to see you playing the Stanley! I'm used to seeing you with one of your Europas, so this is a nice picture indeed!
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Re: Post a pic playing your Alembic!
« Reply #418 on: December 11, 2015, 05:44:40 AM »
Very nice bass Jazzy, definitely get that in the mix! Cool photo!

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Re: Post a pic playing your Alembic!
« Reply #419 on: December 11, 2015, 06:29:43 AM »
That's why I took the compression horns out of my Eden cabinets. The Beyma super tweeters I use have much smoother highs. And better frequency response. The horns only went to 14Khz. The tweeters I use go all the way to 20Khz. I also replaced the 10 Eminence Woofers with Beyma 10 Mid Bass Drivers. The Mids are so much clearer now. I designed The 15 cabinets internal volume and venting size to match the resonant frequency of the drivers. The Beyma 15G40 Drivers blow away the JBL E140 and E145 Drivers I used before. Pure Clear Thunder! And I love JBL. End result. A very HiFi sounding Bass Rig capable of extreme SPL! I was going for the same result as they were when they designed the El Whappo. A clear sounding system that could accurately reproduce he full dynamic and frequency range of my Alembic Basses. It is so nice to be able to hear them so clear. And Powerful! System response is 25-20Khz! SPL level? Never got to push it that hard to find out. But it's definitely up there.  
Nice picture Jazzyvee. Good to get thread back to pictures. Beautiful Bass. Definitely start using that Bass more. Although you do have some other ones that are incredible! You seem to like the Europa Body shape like I do. Love your Quilted Maple 5 String. My 5 String Custom Europa is the best sounding 5 string I ever heard. Especially through my Rig! OMG!!!!