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« Reply #15 on: December 18, 2005, 07:01:44 PM »
I bet Beaver at Bass Central or Chad and Evan at Bass NW would cringe at being lumped in with the larger dealers!  To be sure, they sell a lot of Alembics, but they are both bass-only retailers which means that they automatically lose out on something like 90% of all music store business. Whether or not a dealer sells a lot of Alembics is, at the end of the day, a function of how aggressive he/she is about it, which in turn is directly related to how much he/she loves Alembics.  My choice is always to do business with the knowledgable fanatic, if you know what I mean.
 
Here in Delaware (USA) I am about 50 miles from a very successful Alembic dealer called B & B Music.
They don't have a web site worth looking at, and the store itself is in the middle of nowhere - across the street from a huge corn field and next to a used car lot.  There's no obvious reason why this mom and pop retailer should sell lots of Alembics all around the world - but they do. Why? Greg, their bass salesman, loves Alembics, knows a lot about them and always keeps a bunch in stock. Any decent-sized retailer with a similar passion and commitment could do the same thing.

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« Reply #16 on: December 18, 2005, 09:48:00 PM »
When I say large, I speak of numbers of Alembics sold.  I have no clue as to the number of Alembics sold by any dealer.  It just seems from most of the posts here Beaver and crew moves many Alembics.
 
I just find it wild that Rory wants to equate 30 years of loyal patronage with picking up a telephone receiver, pushing ten buttons, and asking for a quote.  I remember Susan doing something very nice for a loyal customer of hers for 30 years.  Maybe Rory feels he's deserving of that privilege as well for his ten cent phone call.  Well, pay phone calls used to cost that much.  This new feeling of entitlement that is so prevalent in America these days is very unbecoming.  It has now reached the Alembic board with regard to prices.
 
I don't think it's strange to find that some Alembic dealers save their best price for their best customers.  They should, just like Susan did.  I guess Rory and others would prefer Alembic and its dealers to use a one price for all method like the US auto makers.  Do they forget that Vipers and GT350's were not included in the pricing?    I can only assume Uncle Bob's and Alembic did something nice for me for my 30 years of loyal patronage to Uncle Bob's.  So for their kindness, and the joy they gave me, I purchased two more instruments.
 
Obviously, Beaver has a great business model.  Accomplished pro player, royalty income, low overhead in the swamps of central Florida, and plenty of Fodera customers that are willing to pay outrageous sums for a mediocre bass.  This allows him a bit more room on margins it seems, to the benefit of those Alembic customers looking for a good price quick.  I added BassNW and Resurrection in Austin for Adam because I've had the pleasure of visiting those dealers and they welcomed me with my interest in Alembics.   Adam should add B&B and the other dealers mentioned favorably in this thread.  It makes the dealer search that much more fun.
 
I say take Rory's comments about his $1k quote nonsense with a grain of salt.  Check out Six String Sensation in the COTM archive.  Another happy mutli-Alembic Uncle Bob's customer.  Good prices can be had there.
 
I joke on Ed Roman, but I really respect those comments from members that have successfully dealt with his company.  I'm sure a reasonable price could be had at Roman's and all Alembic dealers listed if you put in the right effort.  And if you're lucky, pathetic as it is when compared to my method, pushing 10 buttons may be all you have to do.
 
And I still say support your local Alembic dealer, even if it's just for strings.  Every little bit helps.  In the end, they all do it by hard work.  The real American way.
 
Since I don't want to go back Elaine's showcase (that's ok she's right in front of me), bring on Pele'.  Can the peanut gallery, you know who you are, please leave the less than thoughtful comments out of that thread?  That thread is meant to be a celebration of what will be a pretty unique instrument.  I promise plenty of continuing praise for Uncle Bob's and Alembic.  And don't ask what it cost.  That's bush league (you?re ok Adam, no problem).  And I ain't telling.
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« Reply #17 on: December 18, 2005, 10:21:04 PM »
Wow.  
 
Rory - I don't blame you one bit for pursuing the purchases of your Alembics the way you do.  It's a free country, and we all can choose what we wish to do with our money.  You wanted the get the best deal for what must have been an important reason for you.  Nothing wrong with that at all.
 
I don't think anyone's equating customer loyalty with price shopping.  They are simply two methods to an end, namely, the acquisition of what just about everyone here feels are the finest bass guitars (and guitars) on the planet.  Some feel better about the experience via price shopping; others feel customer loyalty to a particular dealer is the way to go, price be damned.  So be it.
 
I agree with Tom that we should support small businesses when we can.  I feel they make, on average, the purchasing experience that much more personal, something I feel is woefully absent in America these days.  For me, it's something I look for when considering the purchase of any major item, and an Alembic is one of those.  This is why I chose Bass Central for my custom - my experiences with Beaver and crew have been stellar, and I have no reason to believe they won't continue to be so.
 
Foderas as mediocre - I've never played one, so I can't comment.  I do know that there are those who believe that Alembics aren't worth it, over priced, sterile, etc.  I don't agree, but that's their opinion.  Victor Wooten uses a Fodera, and he's a monster player.  There must be something good about Foderas that he likes, or else he wouldn't be using them.  And no, he's not using them simply because he's an endorsee now - he began playing them years before he became famous.  Calling one bass mediocre and another stellar is a bit unfair, I think.  We all have our favorites, and they work for us.  Other brands work for others.  In the end we all get what we like and make music.  That's all that really matters, IMHO.  
 
I also think most businesses tend to reward, if such a term is appropriate, repeat customers.  They know if they treat that customer right, he/she is more likely to return when shopping for a like or newer item.  When it came to my custom, I didn't shop anywhere else.  I'd had a good experience with Beaver and crew, and felt that the price I would be quoted would be reasonable (which it was).  Could I have save a few bucks by price shopping?  Maybe.  Speaking only for myself, I would rather spend a little more to get the kind of service I get from Bass Central than less to get a lower level of service.  And I feel great about the purchase.  Again, in the end, that's the bottom line.
 
My two cents,
 
Alan

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« Reply #18 on: December 19, 2005, 07:05:32 AM »
All right, let's take this thread in a different direction.  There is, of course, another all-American buying strategy that could be applied to Alembics.  It is the one that the government would undoubtedly use should Messrs. Bush, Rove & Cheney ever desire basses.  Forget customer loyalty, forget shopping around, just buy 'em from Halliburton for $250,000 per bass.  Monthly specials?  Ha!  We don't need no monthly specials!
 
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« Reply #19 on: December 19, 2005, 07:13:10 AM »
Hey Guys
 
I want to wish everyone a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year! Enjoy your family and friends and may all your Alembic dreams be good ones.
 
Rory

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« Reply #20 on: December 19, 2005, 07:20:52 AM »
Amen! Happy Holidays to all!
 
Wow, and I thought I started some sh*t when I posted my first thread RE: Alembic pricing/discounts, LOL!
 
Alan: You forgot about your Europa iV from Uncle Steve.
 
Cheers,
 
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« Reply #21 on: December 19, 2005, 07:28:27 AM »
And just think!,,,,,alembic started out with one peice of fire wood log,the wickershams had to decide should we burn it,or create a new guitar with it!........
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« Reply #22 on: December 19, 2005, 07:46:12 AM »
Kevin,
 
    Sorry I missed the Europa!  So many Alembics .. so little time!
 
Bill,
 
Seeing as I'm currently deployed, I can second that we should just go through Halliburton (KBR is a subsidary and has contracts for just about all the support here from what I can tell).  Of course, we'd all need to buy stock in them first in order to be able to acquire funds to buy a $250K bass.
 
Alan

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« Reply #23 on: December 19, 2005, 07:50:17 AM »
Alan,
 
I think that by buying stock you're helping the seller(s) of said stock to acquire funds.

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« Reply #24 on: December 19, 2005, 11:44:25 AM »
So many viewpoints! All I know is that I enjoy seeing my Elan 6 go up in used value everytime there is a price increase on new Alembics! A guitar is worth what someone will pay for it. But then, I am not a purest. I also would not buy a new Harley for 20K, since to me, no motorcycle is worth that kind of money. However, if everyone thought that way, no new Alembics (or Harleys) would be built!
 
Merry Chrismas!!

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« Reply #25 on: December 19, 2005, 07:46:13 PM »
This is for Keith H. Keith, I have to take some offense to your posting about letting a subject drop immediately after my posting. If my posting appeared to be in any way confrontational, I certainly didn't mean it that way. I was simply stating my own experiences with mom & pop stores vs. chain stores like GC. I also did give kudos to Caruso Music in New London, Ct, whom I have dealt with many times in the past 20 years. The fact is that I have such good luck with Guitar Center in North Attleboro, Ma that I sometimes drive the 30 miles just to see what they have taken in trade, even if I am not looking for anything in particular. This is how I found my first Alembic. In fact I hadn't seen an Alembic in over 20 years. I walked into the store looking for a Modulus and found an Epic 5 string which I immediately purchased. I recently called this GC because a head that I purchased in 2003 started making a strange high pitched squealing noise. They exchanged it no questions asked even thought it was out of warranty. This is the kind of customer service that I am looking for regardless of price. I have since bought another Epic from a private seller. I realize that Epics are not the top of the line Alembic but they are better than anything else available at half the price. I have run into some resistance from other players though. I have a friend who used to work for Pedulla. When I told him that I bought an Epic he said Oh a bottom of the line bass. What a moron! I auditioned for a band and the lead guitarist was playing and LTD. He asked me why I was playing a Mexican bass! When I showed him the Alembic website, he almost had to change his underwear. I have also experienced some discrimination from Alembic users who have said Oh, you don't use a Series!  For the most part I have been well received in this forum. When I bought my Epic I posted a message the tone of which gave the impression that I was apologizing for owning an Epic rather than a Series. I received many emails and responses welcoming me to the club and praising me on my choice to purchase an Alembic. I love my Epics even if one came from Guitar Center. The intent of my posting was not to discourage anyone from buying from a locally owned store. I was simply stating my own personal experience just as we all do.

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« Reply #26 on: December 19, 2005, 08:52:52 PM »
As an aside:
 
I have not had good luck with Bass Central.  I always feel like Felton is trying to make me pay for the priviledge of dealing with a celebrity.  He always tries to charge me list price for things like effects and cabs.  When I call Bass NW, in comparison, they always offer me a good deal from the start.  I prefer that situation to the uncomfortable negotiation that seems to be the norm at Bass Central.
 
Perhaps it's my yankee accent...

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« Reply #27 on: December 19, 2005, 09:47:17 PM »
To sum up this thread:
 
Some folks like mom and pop stores; others seek the best deal regardless of dealer.  It works for them.
 
Bottom line:  Buy from the store and person that makes you feel comfortable with the purchase.  No explanation to anyone here or anywhere else is necessary.
 
And I'm spent,
 
Alan

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« Reply #28 on: December 19, 2005, 09:49:47 PM »
Now let's go play some damn music gentlemen!

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« Reply #29 on: December 20, 2005, 04:21:09 AM »
Tom,
I am sorry you took offense. Yes I did think this was a confrontational update. You did not appear happy with some of the comments in your Showcase thread and continued that tone here. From my experience with other forums that is the makings of a flame war. This is one of the few groups where flame wars don't happen and folks generally go out of their way to stay civil and friendly. As I said there are many different reasons that people buy things from different places and one  is not better than another. Again I am sorry if you took offense as none was intended I was only trying to maintain the civility of this board.  
 
Keith