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« Reply #15 on: February 19, 2006, 07:56:30 AM »
Wow!  Nice view!

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« Reply #16 on: February 19, 2006, 08:41:26 AM »
Davide:  Welcome to the club.  No need to apologize about your english.  Your command of the language is at least as good as the current President of the U.S., and it's far superior to my Italian (pizza, fettucine alfredo, cappucino, Al Pacino).    Here's a picture of the water looking out my deck.  The cluster of buidings is San Francisco.

 

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« Reply #17 on: February 19, 2006, 09:30:29 AM »
That's a nice view too Bill!

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« Reply #18 on: February 19, 2006, 09:42:00 AM »
Wonderful view Bill,I hope to come to visit San Francisco in the next future,my friend told to me that it's a great place.In the next picture you can see the pub where I play during the summer with my jazz trio(white house with the garden).If you will come in La Maddalena we can organize a jam session.I hope to meet someone of you in the future!Bye

 
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« Reply #19 on: February 19, 2006, 10:24:22 AM »
Hi Davide, great to hear from your part of the world. If the photo above is where you live, you are one of the richest people on this forum, beautiful.
 
If I may, a couple of thoughts on the professional vs hobby point.
 
I am a full-time professional firefighter in a city of 160,000 bordering Detroit. The outer ring small towns typically use volunteer or part time firefighters. After 20 plus years in this business and having my hat handed to me numerous times, I give the part time, or hobby firefighters, as much if not more respect as the full-time. These guys do the work and take the risks not for the money, they do it because they love the job.
 
I was a full-time musician for ten years. I think as humans we become complacent with time. I was making good money for a while but spent little time honing my craft as I spent so much time working. I was playing bass or guitar depending on the band.
 
Unfortunately, my full-time music experience paralleled my firefighter career. Way too often the full time guys become complacent or satisfied with where they are. This is displayed at the hobby level as well. Their gear is usually old and dirty, they are resistant to new ideas, have the been there done that attitude.
 
I am often suspicious of the poverty plea. I did, and watched others, spend a fortune on babes, beer and fun(God I miss those days), while the equipment languished. While a new Alembic can be a tall order for the average working guy, there are plenty of great deals on wonderful used pieces that anyone working should be able to afford.
 
I feel it is a case of priorities. What is important to you, are you a student of your craft, do you want to be and play the best you can. Not just as a musician, but in your work as well. I have been slapped around twice by the IRS for taking deductions that were work related. Both in my fire and music careers my equipment investments were so out of line with my income, I got red flagged. I vividly recall arguing with the IRS agent that I needed these items to do my job well. Her crushing reply was, If you want to be the best, you have to be prepared to pay for it, not the American taxpayer.
 
Are Alembics worth the money if all you want to do is make music? Depends on what you want, and your style. If you are a Jamerson type laying down a big fat foundation for a rhythm section, maybe not. If you are the next Clarke flame thrower, you may want to ante up.
 
My point is that this forum, and most Alembicians, appear to be heavily represented by students of the craft. They may be wealthy collectors or hobbyists, but I would give them a wide birth if any were to appear on my stage. I would argue that most players who have made the Alembic commitment are eager students, pushing the envelope to improve or be better. This would explain the close analyzing of every aspect of the instrument. There is little credence given to, well that's the way it's always been done so it's good enough.
 
My personal experience with Alembic began after I had been playing for 38 plus years. I approached with caution as I wanted a Series bass and they are expensive. I had considered myself a student of the craft and was not convinced Alembic was much different than other high end basses I had owned. I could not have been more wrong or surprised. I found an absolute difference that dramatically changed the way I play. The sound and feel changes you. I sold a Miata I had to buy a beautiful looking and sounding Series II, thanks again Bill, and feel I stole the bass for all it gives me.
 
Well Davide, excellent point about opening up some discussion as you certainly have, well done. Sorry about the length, and my poor English. Yours is quite good by the way.

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« Reply #20 on: February 19, 2006, 11:00:03 AM »
Here's some S.F. Bay pics with better lighting.  First, here's Oakland

  Now San Francisco

  Golden Gate

  Marin

  Bill, tgo

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« Reply #21 on: February 19, 2006, 11:36:36 AM »
Davide-
 
First, welcome to the club!
 
I would have to agree that there are quite a few instruments on the market that are more expensive than they appear to warrant, but I don't count Alembics among them.  Even then, a new Alembic is still quite an expensive purchase, one that many can't afford to repeat all that often.  As such, there is a lot of discussion in order to try to get it right the first time.  Even so, there's the occasional player who receives their instrument and wishes they had upgraded something here and there.  Many a player has been spoiled by exposure to an instrument loaded with Series electonics.
 
As far as I can tell, this board is mostly populated by players.  A few may play as their primary source of income and many of us play regular weekend gigs.  I think that few, if any, are collectors who do not play their instruments so performance counts to all of us.  I'm not sure of your background, but many players not familiar with Alembic instruments don't understand the impact of all the offered features.
 
Different options on these basses meet different needs.  It seems from your post that you're looking at gold hardware and thinking it is purely cosmetic?  Not so.  The plated hardware is there because a bass that gets a lot of use will require less cleaning to keep it from deteriorating than brass will.  I'll grant you that body shapes are largely cosmetic aside from balance issues, but I can say from personal experience that the cosmetics of the instrument can be a source of inspiration.  Finally, neck wood choices definitely impact tone, possibly more than any other decision one makes about an instrument.
 
Poke around the FAQ section and do a few searches and you will find a lot of discussion about these things.  The tonal impact of wood, the versatility of different electronics packages and how convenient different control setups are for switching tones during a performance have all been popular topics over the past.  Hopefully these things will help you better understand where we are coming from and why some of these decisions are important to us.
 
Happy playing!
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« Reply #22 on: February 19, 2006, 11:52:17 AM »
Hi Gary,first I want to show you my respect and admration for your work,difficoult,dangerous and important for all of us,great!Now it's necessary for me to make clear the difference between play for job and play for hobby(by my point of view).Play for hobby is better because you can play the music that you like,with people that you like when you like and where you like,this is the best condition to express yourself throug your instrument and it would be wonderful for me to play always with this state of mind!Now I talk about professional musicians(like part of you,i suppose).I want to describe my situation:I work professionally from 4 years but I work with music since 1994.Actually in Italy it's not a good moment for music,and it's difficoult to work so,it's indispensable to play everytime is possible and in any situation,from Jazz standards to Pop music,ethnic music and ballroom orchestra etc.We have to study to learn a lot of songs and sometime you make a lot of sacrifice for nothin' and when you say that work as musician,people think that you are a good for nothingetc.But no problem.I live with a little of money,when I'm not playn' I'm studin'to became a better musician and to have more possibilities to work.So,for people like me,to play is not always a pleasure.I love my instruments,it's throug their voice that I comunicate (or I try to do it)with people that come to listn to me.To buy an instrument is a great sacrifice for me(no problem,I choose to do this job)and sometime I read in this forum interstellar Price.I know that to Build an Alembic is a great work,state of the art,good sound(like other instrument)but I think that after you have paid 15000$ for a bass it would be nice to hve a strap or a case x homage!Now I desire to exit from this thread because I don't want to continue this argoment....I've nothing to say more about this.I want to thank you everybody for answer to my post...you are great!Bye,now I must leave the forum to go to play at the Ballroom(there are a lot of beautiful girls,medium age 70/80.....WOW)BYE

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« Reply #23 on: February 19, 2006, 12:09:49 PM »
no, wait, post more pictures! oh well....

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« Reply #24 on: February 19, 2006, 01:19:48 PM »
Oh,it's late,my director will kill me tonight!This is for you,La Spiaggia Rosa(The Pink Beach),pink sand for coral frames,Budelli Island(La Maddalena Natural Park-Sardinia)here's the link  http://www.lamaddalena.com/ Bye!


 
 
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« Reply #25 on: February 19, 2006, 01:54:53 PM »
Diverse site! In one day  I got outdoor grilling recipies, and went real estate shopping! About brass polish, Having Alembics since the 70's, I've learned that no matter how hard one tries the finish on tail pieces and bridges goes away. Like grey hair it becomes a statis of age and experience. 30 some years of hard work from a fine instrument gives it permission to show i'ts age. I spent 10  years behind a mixing board some 200 feet away and found the drum kit has enough flash and sparkle for one stage. For instruments with brite metalwork be careful as most polished are abrasive. NeverDul and Mothers brand metal polish remove layers to reveal new metal, and it shines. Good luck. Michael S.

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« Reply #26 on: February 19, 2006, 03:39:16 PM »
Gary, we may be long lost brothers- I'm a former touring musician who is now a schoolteacher, and I'll be selling my Miata before my custom order with Series II electronics gets here!
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« Reply #27 on: February 19, 2006, 04:13:28 PM »
Hi Charles, I'm feeling sorry for the Miata. Looks like she is the first to go from the toy-box. Great minds think alike eh?
 
My Miata was a 91, white, excellent condition. I miss her and hope to get another soon. What was yours?
 
If we are related I hope you got deeper into the gene pool. Although I'm very pretty, the walking and chewing gum thing is an issue. It's reflected in the playing and singing thing. Also, I'm not brave enough to be a teacher.
 
Is your new bass on the factory/customer thread? I'll take a look. You will love the Series II electronics. Takes a while to get her down but the performance is amazing.
 
Davide, great talking to you. About the medium aged babes, 70/80? Hope you are also a paramedic.
Have a good show and watch the volume.

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« Reply #28 on: February 19, 2006, 04:31:44 PM »
Gary,
Mine's white, '91, excellent condition...haven't started selling any guns yet.  
 
I don't know about the bravery thing, though.  You go INTO burning buildings.  I was pretty intimidated by teaching at first, as I'm pretty introverted by nature. I found myself relying on some of the same skills that I used on stage, though.  It's a performance, and I'm playing a part.
 
No FTC yet; the work order just went to the shop on Thursday. Specs can be seen on the thread in Miscellaneous called A Great Day!

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« Reply #29 on: February 19, 2006, 05:40:39 PM »
La Spiaggia Rosa . . . geez, EVERYTHING sounds wonderful in Italian ! !
 
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