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« Reply #45 on: April 24, 2006, 11:26:24 AM »
Al,
 
Thanks for those tips!  That would be great if they could do an easy (and inexpensive) swap of the fretboard.
 
And I also saw something about that electonics shielding problem with Distillates on another thread, and it said Alembic could fix it easily.
 
Thanks again,
Curt

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« Reply #46 on: April 24, 2006, 11:47:20 AM »
Curt; that sounds like a reasonable approach.
 
Oh, and since the auction still has seven days to run, give Mica a chance to respond to your serial number post before calling on the phone.

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« Reply #47 on: April 24, 2006, 11:51:50 AM »
Alan,
 
I actually have two Ricks, a 1979 4001 I bought used about 20 years ago, it is in somewhat rough condition, but not too bad (it is no worse than the day I bought it).  It is 100% original as far as I know.  And a 1997 4003, which I bought new (I am the only owner).  It has a couple of small nicks, I have played it a lot, but it is overall still in excellent condition.
 
I might consider selling the older one, even though that is probably the only thing I have with any vintage value in my meager collection.  But I wouldn't want to sell the newer one, since that has been my baby for the last 9 years.  And even if I become an Alembic-head, I never want to be without a Rickenbacker in my life.  I still love them.
 
Curt

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« Reply #48 on: April 24, 2006, 12:00:50 PM »
Dave,
 
That sounds like good advice.  I am sure Mica is a busy lady.  I will be patient for now and give her a chance to respond.
 
Curt

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« Reply #49 on: April 25, 2006, 02:18:15 AM »
Curt,
 
    I too have two Ricks, both 4001s - one is a '76 and the other a '77.  The '77 is in pieces - I have all the original parts and stuff, but it has all the finish off the neck, and somebody began to strip the fingerboard.  I intend to have it completely rebuilt/refinished by Jim Warwick of J Warwick Guitars (www.jwarwickguitars.com).  He's the guy who did my Ripper, Jazz, and Musicman, and his work is outstanding.  He also put a resistor on my Spyder (at Alembic's recommendation) - he's the only guy I would trust with any of my Alembics other than the folks in Santa Rosa.  
 
Anyway, like you, I've always had a Rick in my stable, save for a few years when I was poor and didn't have the cash to have more than one bass.  I suppose it will always be that way.
 
If you desire, I can send you some pics of my bass stable.  Let me know.
 
Best regards,
 
Alan

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« Reply #50 on: April 25, 2006, 08:25:13 AM »
Alan,
 
I would love to see pics of your stable.  I would especially like to see what Warwick did with your Ripper, maybe give me some ideas about what to do with mine.  Also, before and after pics of the job he does on your 77 Rick would be real interesting.
 
Curt

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« Reply #51 on: April 26, 2006, 04:36:13 AM »
Curt,  
 
Having traveled a very similar road as the one you are on now, and being we have a LOT in common in regards to our instruments, I had to put my 2 cents in...  
 
Too funny, my FIRST bass was a Gibson RIPPER, sure wish I still had it, and I also own a few Rickenbacker's myself. I'll be touching on a number of your posts.  
 
I recently purchased a Distillate from a forum member who had it listed on Ebay not too long ago. I absolutely love the bass. Keep in mind that it is a MEDIUM SCALE bass. For me wasn't a big deal, but just keep that in mind. When I switch back and forth to my Rickenbacker, I have to remind myself of the change.  
 
As far as Alembic basses go, I still own my first Alembic, an EPIC and have recently sold off my ESSENCE 5. Each Alembic I purchased (similar to a used car) needed a few things addressed. Some were cosmetic, some were not. I'm a bit OCD so I like to get my basses as close to original as possible. I was the same way when I restored cars years ago.  
 
Anyway, I wouldn't be TOO concerned about the initials on the Distillate so long as the rest of the package is in good order. An alternative to swapping out the fingerboard is just having Alembic put an inlay in place of the initials. I had a price of $250.00 to replace all my inlays from Alembic. A future repair I will be getting done. Get a dove or a (oh I don't know, anything) in place of the initials. IF, that is, whoever did the initials, didn't do a butcher job and the finger board can't be saved. I'm SURE Alembic can do SOMETHING!  
 
Don't be afraid to ASK the seller questions, ask for more pictures, INQUIRE as to the condition of the truss rods, frets, neck, bridge condition. Kick the tires and give it a good going over. I've been burned on two RICKENBACKER'S by not being through enough. One of them a VERY EXPENSIVE mistake, it is presently at the luthier?s having the frets pulled, the neck planed and re-finished.  
 
I have a love/hate relationship with my Epic. Well, I shouldn't say HATE, just a minor dislike. While I love the overall tone and the feel of the Epic, I don't like the fact the SUSTAIN isn't what I would like it to be. I play in a church in two different services. The first one (more formal) I use the Alembic, the second (more contemporary) I use my RIC. During the formal service, the music is slower so I REALLY needed (wanted) more SUSTAIN for the mellow music. Enter the Distillate. PERFECT. The neck through construction combined with the Purple Heart Lams and the SUSTAIN BLOCK....WOW, now that is what I call SUSTAIN! I still can't bring myself to sell the EPIC. I've become so accustomed to it, I feel awkward when its not with me. Looks like it will never go now!  
 
Getting back to the used car scenario, most USED items need some tweaking IMHO. I've invested about $350.00 in COSMETIC work to my Distillate. I didn't like the SATIN finish, so I had it buffed out to HIGH GLOSS. I also had some fret work done and some inlay touch ups. Check out this link for a few pictures. I also want to replace the brass back plate one of these days. Like I said, I?m a bit OCD.  
http://club.alembic.com/Images/394/27446.html?1146043696  
 
I'm not a collector, so as was mentioned earlier in this thread, I play this bass for all its worth, I want it to look good, but I'm not worried about resale price. The money I've invested and will eventually invest, I'll know I'll never get back SHOULD I decide to sell it. I hope I never have to. It's THAT GOOD! The sound package is MORE than I'll ever need. The ONLY flaw that I can note is that due to a back injury, I have to sit when I?m playing. The Distillate has a PERFECT feel when standing, but it is a little awkward when sitting. The Epic & the RIC are most comfortable when playing in this position. But, I'm still getting used to the Distillate, she will work out great.  
 
Being we have so much in common, I'm even built like you (saw a pic on your bands web site) I'm sure you will love the Distillate.  
 
One last comment, you had mentioned an Alembicized Ric. There was one last year that only sold for about $700.00 on Ebay. I SHOULD have bid on that one.  
 
My DREAM ALEMBIC is what I call an ALEMRIC. WHEN I hit the lotto, or the kids move out, whichever comes first, I DREAM of having Alembic design a RIC inspired shape body (sort of a RIC shaped Spector Euro, I love those rounded bouts on the Spector), with the S body (no binding and rounded edges) with a highly figured Walnut top. Add the one Ebony and two Purple Heart stinrgers, on a bird?s eye maple 7 piece neck with an ebony fingerboard with REAL MOP triangle inlays, coupled with some kind of Europa electronics.  
 
Whew, ok, I?m done, as I'm sure everyone will be thankful!  
 
Whatever you decide to do Curt, best of luck to you! I hope you can land that Distallite.  
 
Tony
 
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« Reply #52 on: April 26, 2006, 01:54:33 PM »
Tony,
 
That's a helluva post!  
 
A few comments in response.  
 
The Ripper... never thought I would be discussing that old thing on the Alembic forum!  But it was not my first bass, my first one was a Peavey bass.  After learning the crucial lesson, that one should never leave a guitar case in the back of a pick up truck, even when just running in for a quick pack of smokes, I then got the Ripper to replace the stolen Peavey.
 
Back on Alembics... I actually want to try a medium scale Alembic.  I passed on an auction for a long scale bass I liked, just because I wanted to hold out for medium.  And unless I am mistaken, the Ric scale length is actually 33-1/4 inches.  So it is between an Alembic long and medium.  So I think I will really like the medium scale.
 
Oh, and don't worry, I am not shy about asking the sellers whole lists of questions.  I just sent this guy another list this morning.
 
With your Epic, why don't you send it to Alembic and have them add a sustain block?  My 5 string Alembic is an Orion, but it has had a sustain block added.  And man does it ever sustain!  My band has a few songs that end with a big note we just hold and let it die out.  But now, when the rest of the band has died out, there is my Alembic still singing away at full volume. I think it would go on forever if I let it.  The problem is ending it without sounding abrupt.  What a problem to have, huh!
 
Oh, and by the way, I am not a collector either, I am buying this bass to play.  When I ask questions about resale values, I am trying to figure out how much I should pay, not thinking at all that I will resell it.
 
And I can't wait to see your AlemRic when it's done!
 
Thanks for all the comments,
Curt

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« Reply #53 on: April 26, 2006, 02:02:51 PM »
OK Gang...
 
I have an IMPORTANT new question...
 
The seller of this Distillate has contacted a luthier in his area, who says he can replace the inlays with ebony.  I have talked to the luthier, and he seems competent, seems to know what he is doing.
 
Question is, how would you feel about going to someone local to do this kind of work?  Or would you insist on sending the bass to Alembic to have it done?
 
Opinions and comments welcome...
 
Thanks,
Curt

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« Reply #54 on: April 26, 2006, 02:16:42 PM »
By the time you pay for extra shipping and repairs, you might as well find a better bass that doesn't need the repairs and pay an extra $500.

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« Reply #55 on: April 26, 2006, 03:42:08 PM »
Routing out the inlay and filling it in with ebony is not difficult; I wouldn't send it here for something like that. A competent luthier should be able to handle it easily.
 
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« Reply #56 on: April 26, 2006, 03:47:49 PM »
Valentino,
 
Thanks for the definitive answer!
 
Much appreciated.
 
Curt

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« Reply #57 on: April 26, 2006, 03:52:47 PM »
Next question...
 
I noticed the brass nut on this bass does not appear to be adjustable (or at least doesn't have the screwholes) like I am used to seeing on Alembics.  What's up with that?  Is this a common option with Alembics?  Is it possible it is not the original nut?
 
Any thoughts?
 
Thanks,
Curt

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« Reply #58 on: April 26, 2006, 04:04:28 PM »
The adjustable nut was not available when that bass was built. It's normal; my 81 Distillate did not have it either. I had the nut replaced with an adjustable one a few years ago.
 
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« Reply #59 on: April 26, 2006, 04:46:30 PM »
Thanks again Valentino!
 
I think I have finally run out of questions.
 
At least until I get to see the official build record and history of the bass...
 
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