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fish

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« on: June 02, 2006, 04:54:47 PM »
Hi Everyone.
 
I am new here.
 
I currently own one Alembic bass. I have played it since the mid 80?s up to the early 90?s. Sure took a beating of the years.
 

 
I have been thinking about buying a second Alembic. It is a Stanley Custom 4 Short Scale/Small Body Buckeye Burl 5-Pc. Neck w/Purpleheart Laminates, Red Side LED's, Europa Electronics, Crown Headstock.
 
I have never been a fan of short scale necks before. However, my first thoughts are that the bass is top heavy already. A medium scale, I think, would be a head diver for sure. I also understand that the Long scale is no longer made.
 
Please give me your opinions. I know it?s all about ?what you like? but please put that aside and give it to me.
 
Is the short scale neck the only way to go, because of the small body?
 
Also, since I am spending a chuck of change, I am foolish for not springing for the Series I electric package?
 
Thanks for your thoughts.

bigredbass

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« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2006, 07:33:50 PM »
So fish, is this SC you mention a used piece, or are you going to order one like that?
 
ALEMBIC is virtually alone in building short, meidum, long, or XL as a no-hassle option: you pays your money and takes your choice.
 
The balance/neck heavy part is just geometry:  The Series-shaped instruments' upper horn just doesn't reach very far up the neck, and can cause a little balance problem because of it.  With Stanleys, it's even a bit more pronounced because the horns are symmetric and short:  This is why you really have to do some convincing with Mica and Susan before they would think about a long-scale Stanley.  In short or even medium scale the body weight is enough to compensate out most if not all of the neck dive.
 
I play a long-scale Series-shaped Spoiler, a bit neck heavy, but I can live with it as I just had to have that shape and look.  But I'm 6'1 and can easily see where it would be too big for shorter folks.
 
BUT . . several of the other shapes (Rogue and Europa) balance very well as well as the newer Balanced K's, etc., so this really doesn't have to be an issue.
 
Any of the short scale ALEMBICs would put out more than enough low end.  Most of the short-scale myths survive from the old days when cheap basses with half-a***d pickups into the old amps of those days were fairly lacking.  No such problem now.  My only advice is that for ANY scale other than the 'usual' 34, your available string choices dwindle, you won't see as broad a range of choices.  
 
The Series electronics are the best pickups/electronics in the world.  You and your wallet and your ears will have to decide that one.
 
I do know this:  After an Exploiter, an short-scale SC would feel like a ukelele!
 
To my way of thinking, the Balance K in your choice of electronics (the Anniversary electronics get you close to Series without the power supply) would get you a smaller, well-balanced axe that would be smaller and accomodate any scale you settle on, no problem.
 
Best of Luck,
 
J o e y

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« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2006, 09:01:21 PM »
Hello Dave,
 
welcome to the club.
 
I'm afraid that we make SCs in short scale only.  And yes, it is neck heavy and that's why we don't make it in longer scales anymore. So that's the only way to go for that body style; if you don't want to go short (your Exploiter /Spoiler should be a medium) then I'd think about a different body shape as Joey suggested.
 
If you 'd like to talk about your ideal Alembic,  e-mail me your phone number at valentino@alembic.com and I'll be  happy to give you a call on Monday when I get to work.  It's faster that way.  
 
Valentino

fish

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« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2006, 04:58:54 AM »
Thanks Joey.
 
Much to think about here.
 
The SC is being sold as new at a dealer in Florida. It seams to be a real good price. The mistake I always make is after I purchase something, it turns out that I say to myself ?if only I spent a bit more I could of got???,and then buyer?s remorse will set in. I don?t mind waiting a bit for a custom built one.
 
I?ve always liked the look of SC. Until I started to look real closely at them, I would have never known that most of them are short scale.  
 
 
Valentino, thank you for the welcome and kind offer.  
 
I fear if I go the ?new built? way, that I will get so carried away that I?ll need a second mortgage. I have not yet mastered that self control thing yet.

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« Reply #4 on: June 03, 2006, 06:43:39 AM »
When was the decision made to stop 34 SC basses?  
 
Can you still order a 34 Essence w/ the SC shape & Europa electronics?  
 
Just curious....  
 
-Mike

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« Reply #5 on: June 03, 2006, 07:04:16 AM »
they only made a few in the 70's.mainly cause they're too neck heavy,(no balance) which results in a Nose-dive straight to the ground & nobody wants their alembic to see the ground head-first.

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« Reply #6 on: June 03, 2006, 08:17:59 AM »
Are the SC short scales 30-3/4?

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« Reply #7 on: June 03, 2006, 08:29:58 AM »
Scale length 30.75 or 30.3/4

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« Reply #9 on: June 03, 2006, 08:32:16 AM »
You need to understand that, in name, the SC you're looking at is probably an Essence with some efficiently chosen upgrades.  I own one made with different top and body woods and they are great basses.  Value-wise, it's probably closest to a Europa by the time you're done calculating and one of the best deals available on a new Alembic if you're not a serious knob-twiddler.  
 
Also, with regard to cost...  That bass is probably 2-3 years old in terms of when it was ordered.  Based on the current discount structures and price increases, it would probably run you an extra 30-50% above what they are asking to order a new one with the same specs.  
 
Personally, from what that dealer has available, I'd go after the cocobolo SC deluxe with the thin taper neck.  It is the PERFECT instrument for a player with smaller hands and probably only about $1K more than the one you're looking at.  My bass has the thin neck and it makes all the difference for fast fingerstyle and pick play.  It takes some getting used to for slap and I wouldn't recommend it to the large-fingered in that style at all.  I have no idea how Stanley makes it work...
 
-bob

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« Reply #10 on: June 03, 2006, 08:51:05 AM »
The bass in question...
 

 
I hope that I didn't break any rules here by posting it.
 
 
 
Bob, I like the coco, however the Buckeye Burl is what's keeping up at night.

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« Reply #11 on: June 03, 2006, 09:19:38 AM »
That's not the one with Europa electronics, that has signature in it.  That is an upgraded SC Signature Standard rather than from an Essence base.  I think the primary upgrades there are LEDs, purpleheart neck stringers, and the top wood.  I thought you were looking at the one below that...

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« Reply #12 on: June 03, 2006, 09:33:23 AM »
Bob, you are right...
 
I posted the wrong pic...
 
Sorry.....
 

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« Reply #13 on: June 03, 2006, 12:38:54 PM »
Dave,
With regards to your question about a short scale. I play a Brown Bass. This is a small body, short scale with Anniversary electronics. I love the short scale and have no problems with it's bassiness. I don't find that it neck dives at all. I do use a wide strap with suede on the underside. I also play it up fairly high but to be honest I don't see how you could play this style bass any other way.
 
The bass you are looking at is the equivalent of a  Europa with small body. As Bob said it probably started out as an Essence and was then upgraded. I do really like the Buckeye Burl. This is not an inexpensive upgrade. I have been considering it as the top/bottom wood when I order a Series 1. I've also had the opportunity to play a Europa and think the electronics are very good. I particularly like the tone shaping switches for live performance. They allow for quick and predictable tone changes. I really don't think you can go wrong with any of the different electronics
and it all boils down to how much can you afford.  
 
Keith

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« Reply #14 on: June 03, 2006, 02:55:48 PM »
Well..to late now to talk about it (I am so week).
 
The price was just too low to pass on it.
 
I'll post pictures of it when it comes in next week
and give a full report.