Author Topic: Fernandes "Masterhand" it looked the part but did it sound the part too?  (Read 940 times)

jacko

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Fernandes "Masterhand" it looked the part but did it sound the part too?
« Reply #15 on: July 08, 2006, 02:23:46 PM »
coincidentally, a couple of weeks ago, a guy on a UK bass forum pointed out that whenever a rick copy appears on EBAY, rickenbacker manage to get the auction pulled. Even if the seller makes it very obvious that it's a copy which seems incredibly petty to me.
 
graeme

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Fernandes "Masterhand" it looked the part but did it sound the part too?
« Reply #16 on: July 08, 2006, 06:37:07 PM »
The Tribute is a copy of an Irwin guitar....
 
Lets face it, just about every guitar maker is guilty of making one offs and copies. Fernandes (to me) crossed the line by trying to pass their guitars and basses off as Alembics. Very rarely does someone go that far in copying a guitar. It wasnt done as a nod to Alembic either, it was just a complete rip off of their instruments.

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« Reply #17 on: July 11, 2006, 09:16:14 AM »
We are all copies in one way or another.

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« Reply #18 on: July 11, 2006, 09:21:23 AM »
I believe Russ is correct here, Fernandes was looking to make a buck.
And Wade while we are all copies of the original I like to think of us has hand signed lithographs.

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« Reply #19 on: July 11, 2006, 10:34:02 AM »
Hi Wouter!
Well, to answer your question, and those of so many other Alembiciens.
I used to own a Fernandes Alembic copy It was a series 1. To look at both guitars, there was NO difference (not having seen many real Alembics) except for the head logo. The one I owned cost me ?790.00 way back in 1987 and I was so thrilled at having my first Alembic
The sound was better than anything I'd played before-I even put her up against a JD MK and it was BETTER!
It had all the Q switches and filters and all that stuff, but it was so clinical---no warmth or sweetness of tone,-but it was an Alembic!!!)
At the time, I played it through a 400watt Peavey amp with 2x H.H. 8x10 cabs, so the sound should have been awesome!------but it wasn't?!
I waited 25 years to get a 1976 Series 1, and finally got one 6 years ago. The sweetness of tones and playability on the real one are way beyond that of the Fernandes.
So maybe the cheapest option is to buy a fernandes and rip the guts out of it and put the real stuff inside!
Maybe all I wanted to say is-don't decry the Underdog, as they make some superb instruments.
Just appreciate the fact that you've got the real thing------cause it's worth the extra bucks.
 
Take care
 
George

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« Reply #21 on: July 12, 2006, 06:33:36 AM »
Well er em YES Bill!!!. Just like that!
That guitar looks just awesome. You certainly must love her to put so much time, effort and money into her but, why did you do that to that guitar?? The craftsmanship looks amazing but, as stated in a previous response----how does it sound??? Does it sound like an Alembic (with the magnetic pick-ups) or is it still a copy trying to emulate the real thing??
Having said all that, she must be great with all that stuff inside. The inlays are superb, as is the work done to bring her to the spec you wanted.
Enjoy her Bill!!!
 
George

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« Reply #22 on: July 12, 2006, 08:06:54 AM »
George:
 
Tina (named after my wife who, as my 49th B-day present, allowed me to buy it and have all the mods done) does indeed sound amazing, definitey Alembic-like.  Gary Brawer, who did all the work except the inays, did one particular mod that seems to make a big difference.  The bridge was originally screwed to the top of the guitar, as one would expect.  (The Masterhands had load thru the back bridges, unlike Alembics and the Fernandes direct Alembic copies).   Gary routed the top and sunk the bridge about 1/8 down into the wood to get a better angle on the strings.  This seems to have increased sustain.  As I've noted in a previous thread, I always judge an electric guitar by how it sounds unplugged.  This one is outstanding.  
 
In addition, this particular guitar and I have some history.  I first saw it brand new about 25 years or so ago at a store in Oakland called Leo's.  Back then, it was the closest to an Alembic I could even dream of, and even then I couldn't afford it.  It sat in Leo's for a while and then Leo decided to close out his instrument stock and concentrate on Pro Audio (which they still do to this day in the same location).  I remember the salesmen telling me Johnny B. Goode is dead.  
 
Cut to about 25 years later.  I'm in Subway Guitars, a VERY interesting store in Berkeley.  They specialize in weird and cheapo guitars  (Check them out here: http://www.fatdawg.com/).  Anyway, I see the Fernandes hanging there, looking a little frayed around the edges, I think maybe one of the switches was broken off.  I ask about it and find out that Fat Dawg (owner) had bought out the rest of Leo's stock years before.  This was the very same Fernandes I had drooled over.  It had been sitting in Fat Dawg's warehouse for over 20 years until he moved to a bigger location and put it on the floor.  I had to have it.
 
That said, I'm still jonesing for my custom Further to be completed.
 
Bill, tgo
 
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jacko

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« Reply #23 on: July 12, 2006, 08:16:09 AM »
Forgive an ognorant Englishman but, 'Jonesing' ???
 
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« Reply #24 on: July 12, 2006, 08:16:31 AM »
Forgive an ignorant Englishman but, 'Jonesing' ???
 
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« Reply #25 on: July 12, 2006, 08:18:54 AM »
Graeme, it's slang for...
Yearning, craving, desiring, lusting for....

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« Reply #26 on: July 12, 2006, 08:21:05 AM »
As from keeping up with the Joneses, right?

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« Reply #27 on: July 12, 2006, 08:22:33 AM »
Ah! It all suddenly becomes clear.  
 
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« Reply #28 on: July 12, 2006, 08:24:21 AM »
Adriaan, I neder thought of it that way before, but exactly.

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« Reply #29 on: July 12, 2006, 08:32:38 AM »
It's often used to describe a VERY strong craving, commonly used for an addict going through withdrawals, for example the junkie is really jonesing for a fix or Bill is really jonesing for his Alembic
 
Bill, tgo