Which Alembic for deep tone?

[keith_h]

I play both set neck and neck through. The biggest difference I have noticed is the sustain. I will say that my fretless Orion with EMW electronics  actually gets bassier than my Brown Bass due to the bass and treble tone controls. As I recall missing member Danno uses Excel's in his band Doomtree which is very dark music.  
 
You are lucky as you are close to Bass Northwest who is a stocking dealer. The best suggestion I can make is try out as many basses as you can.  
 
Keith

[pmoran]

actually, my S18E-D's are rated at 400 apiece. my S-18B-D's are rated at 300 watts apiece. my S15X-D's are rated at 200 watts apiece. my trace elliot 1048H is rated at 800 watts. my peavey 18 sub is rated at 800 watts. my behringer 18 sub is rated at 800 watts. my 3 trace heads total 5100 wattsk peak, and i can't get them above 3. so, no need for 11. at 3, my clothes are almost blowing back. at 5, they are blowing back, but i can't stand the pressure i feel in my jaw. that's where it seems to be the worst. i feel a sensation of pressure in my lower jaw and the lower portion of my skull when i start cranking this stuff. then, there are the 2 behringer europower 1500 amps i use to power my ipod, which i use as my practice music source.  i think i'm beginning to understand  the threat of radiation involved in having this much crap in a small room.

[ghunter]

wow and amazing just don't seem appropriate after reading that description of 3 and 5! I bow to you, o master of low frequencies.
 
If all goes well, a Rogue 5 should be making its way to me this week.

[jacko]

Congratulations Graham and welcome to the club. You can't really go wrong with any Alembic model I have a rogue and an Epic and they both go really 'deep'. I think you'll find the sustain on your rogue will be incredible., especially if it has purpleheart neck laminates. The other good thing about the rogue is that it has a couple of 'quick change' switches that boost or cut the lows and mids 6db either way. It has the famous 'Q' filter aswell and that will take a while for you to figure out what it does.  
Before anyone else says it, we want pictures as soon as it arrives;-)
 
Graeme
 
(Message edited by jacko on May 30, 2006)

[ghunter]

Unfortunately, this Rogue doesn't have purpleheart laminates.  It does have the Europa electronics package and an ebony fretboard, though.
 
Pics will be posted as soon as I get it!  Well, as soon as I get it and play it for a while  
 
(Message edited by ghunter on May 30, 2006)

[ghunter]

Sigh - I just got some detailed pics of the Rogue and it's really in Good/Very Good condition, not Excellent.  There's more finish wear than I thought, and some pretty deep dings.  I know Alembic can fix all that, but I'm not going to spend $2000 on an instrument that needs $1000+ to bring it up to excellent condition.
 
Still looking, but positive this is the right direction for me.
 
(Sorry for turning this thread into a soap opera)

[ghunter]

Sigh - I just got some detailed pics of the Rogue and it's really in Good/Very Good condition, not Excellent.  There's more finish wear than I thought, and some pretty deep dings.  I know Alembic can fix all that, but I'm not going to spend $2000 on an instrument that needs $1000+ to bring it up to excellent condition.
 
Still looking, but positive this is the right direction for me.
 
(Sorry for turning this thread into a soap opera)

[pmoran]

congrat's graham. you're going to love your rogue. although i like the heavy stuff, i also love mellow stuff. surf the web for fleetwood mac or john mcvie. see if you recognize anything he's playing! look familiar? if you find the right pics, you now own one!

[ghunter]

Oops - sorry for not being more explicit.  I did not buy the Rogue after I saw closeup pics.

[pmoran]

my fault, graham. when i read the part about emailing pics when you get it, i thought you'd bought it and it was already on the way. rogues are great basses. a blemish here or there doesn't affect the sound. good luck in your hunt. i still think you could find a spoiler or persuader for a reasonable price that you would love. i've owned several of each and they're neckthru and absolutely capable of imparting a good lowend.

[ghunter]

Thanks for the kind & wise words throughout this thread.
 
With this one it was a combination of it being priced too high given the condition, and my wanting an instrument in a little more collectible shape.  If it was going to see very heavy use this one was a winner (at a price a few hundred less).
 
Still looking for a nice Rogue or Europa,
 
Graham

[keavin]

Did somebody say john mcvie???  

[bassdr]

Don't ignore the Essence models- very light and comfortable to play, I get great bottom end with my F-1X, Mackie 1400 in bridged mode through my Eminence Omega Pro 15 in a custom folded/ ported horn cab and 2 10 ducted cab. EBS Octabass pedal helps too! Michael

[pmoran]

hey, keavin. nice pic of mcvie, but what i was telling graham about is the rogue or europa he was playing on their last tour dvd......the one where the usc band comes on at the end of the show. also, there's a webpage that indicates jason newsted used to record much of his stuff w/metallica w/some europas equipped w/series electronics. but those are great vintage shots of mcvie!

[keurosix]

Graham,
I think you would do great for Dark & Deep with ANY Alembic, however, the Europa and Rogue model electronics have the quick change switches, and the bass boost is incredible! It's a 3 position switch, and at the boost +6db, an 18 sub really rattles the walls! For ultimate deep bass: Neck-thru, ebony neck laminates, & 35 scale length or longer. But alas, you won't find these options on the second hand market - maybe once in a blue moon, and not cheap EVER! Try to find a rogue or Europa with model electronics, and 18 boxes for best boom!
Kris.