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David Houck

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« Reply #15 on: August 13, 2006, 03:27:30 PM »
Speaking of Edens.  Yesterday afternoon I was asked to play at a party set for last night.  The other musicians were four accoustic guitars and whoever wanted to join in on the vocals.  My bass would be the only thing plugged in.
 
I decided to take the Essence 4, Eden WT-800, and Acme B-2.  Before I left the house I set up the tone using the Eden's parametric controls for what I hoped would be appropriate.  When I got to the party, set up, and started playing, I made a slight adjustment to the pan control on the bass and that was it.  The tone out of that rig was really nice and fit well with the accoustic guitars and voices.  I had not used the WT-800 in a while and was looking to sell it, but now I'm rethinking that idea.

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« Reply #16 on: August 13, 2006, 04:19:12 PM »
That's EXACTLY the point:  Just HOW usable are the controls the designer built into the piece?
David Nordschow at EDEN 'gets it', as do some others,  and of course Ron's ears are the GodFather to all of us Alembic pilots.  
 
After 'is it loud enough?', it's all down to tone. Then couple that with how well it's built, the parts selected, is it reliable, designing this stuff really is the business, isn't it?
 
I'm always reminded of this when I play the BigRedBass; at 15 years old, the volume and tone pots are silent, and spin like they're floating in well-damped oil.  I played a late 70s Series recently and it was SILENT.  This doesn't happen by accident.
 
So Dave, do you get any royalties for those Girls Gone Wild soundtracks???
 
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« Reply #17 on: August 13, 2006, 05:01:49 PM »
Hah!  It wasn't that kind of party!

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« Reply #18 on: August 14, 2006, 07:29:01 PM »
The 31 band eq can be tough, but if you use it more to tweak your tone for the room rather than actually shape the sound, it isn't really that bad. Honestly, a 15 band is probably more than enough.  I wish someone would make a 15 band rack unit optimized for bass.  I mean, who really needs 16KHz?  :-)
 
First, you have to remember that generally speaking, boost=bad, cut=good.  Leave as many sliders flat as you can. With the Ashly, at least, this removes the filter from the signal chain, minimizing the phase problem Joey mentioned. Then begin cutting frequencies that over-resonate in the room, which, unfortunately, are usually in the low end and can make your bass sound muddy and indistinct. Start by dumping one in the general area of the problem all the way out and then bring it back until it sounds the way you want it. Then go up or down as needed, one frequency at a time, until you have the tone you're looking for. If you're like me, you may want to give yourself a little bump in the 630-800 area (just 2-3 dB) to further improve definition and attack. Being methodical like this is slow, but it is great for training your ears and it is a great way to clean up your sound and give yourself more articulation and headroom.
 
 
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« Reply #19 on: August 14, 2006, 09:01:55 PM »
I have 2 almost identical heads with Korg tuner, F1X with SF2 in the loop into PLX 3402. Gotta have a back up. I run them into Epi T310 (am selling to get the UL 310) UL212 with the option of a T115. Also have Acme B2 and B4. Without delving into the manuals a great deal, I just play around until I hear what I want to hear. The SF2 can make non Alembics sound killer as well. That was proven with a 4003, tbird, stambaugh and ripper. I'm sure alternatives are out there for anyone who is interested and feels that SF2's are a bit too dear. As has been stated previously, look on ebay for a used one. I got one new and one used from dealers and private folk. In a rock band context, is it truly necessary? Perhaps not. But for sheer personal expression and the ability to dial in any tone you want, I heartily endorse it. That's also because Alembic doesn't do endorsements. (mores the pity) The gearheads of the world must stick together! I still have to endure the all you need is a precision regularly.  
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« Reply #20 on: August 14, 2006, 09:10:22 PM »
Danno,
 
    It's great to see you back.  I personally have missed your insights.  Hope that Ripper is still working out for you ...
 
    You're right on about the SF-2 taking non-Alembics and making them sound phenomenal.  Ditto on the Rick and Ripper.  Same goes for my Lakland 4-94, '79 Stingray, and Fenders.  An SF-2 just ... well, it takes your tone to a new level.  Yeah, I know, some folks might think I'm exaggerating, but trust me, I'm not.  
 
I'm like you ... I play around with it until I hear what I like.  Right now, I'm running the F1-X with an SF-2 and Ampeg BXT series cabs.  I couldn't be happier.
 
Again, welcome back.  You were sorely missed.
 
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« Reply #21 on: August 14, 2006, 11:19:26 PM »
I use an SF-2 in my effects loop, followed by a BBE Sonic Maximizer.  This supposedly solves any phase problems and puts back any tone sucked out by my stomp pedals.  All I know is it sounds really good.
 
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« Reply #22 on: August 15, 2006, 06:12:38 AM »
Thanks AJ for your kind words and your dedicated service to our country. Glad you are safe at home with your wife and loved ones. (notice I put your wife first).
 
SF2 really is an amazing piece of gear. I don't pretend toknow how or why it works, I just use it. Oh, BTW my settings don't work well with a Mexican Jazz bass. I lent the rig to to kid at a gig and he sounded..... huh......... not good. (I did say to leave all the settings)

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« Reply #23 on: August 23, 2006, 04:24:26 AM »
Ok then, while I was being curious and at the same time serious... I got the message! and very clear it is: there is nothing else like it....
Fine, here is what is going to happen then:  
 
I was interested in an SF-2 so I could get close to the Alembic sound with non Alembic basses... But now that my Arialembic is ready, and pleased with the result... I thought that it will be much more cost effective for me to get my Aria SB 900 upgraded with a second hand Alembic harness...  
I am going to post a picture of my Arialembic.  
 
Thanks to everyone who have helped,
LG