Low, Mid, High quick switch

[shim]

Hi everyone~ I have some questions about builing my custom.
 
I want to add the EQ in my signature electronics, so I cannot choose the option between the knob EQ and quick toggle switch like in Europa.  
 
And, first, I think about the high and bass cut/flat/boost toggle for controlling overall sound, but now, I think it could be better to install mid cut/flat/boost switches for each pick-up.
 
So, Summary....
 
(1) the knob type or quick toggle switch??
(2) Could Mid cut/flat/boost toggles for each pick-up be more useful than the high and bass toggles for controling overall sound??
 
Please add your opinion~~~
 
Thanx.

[bsee]

Personally, I suspect that a mid boost/cut would be more valuable than the bass boost/cut.  I have wished for a mid boost on several occasions.

[bsee]

Let me add to the above that there are a couple frequency ranges that I would want to manage.  That makes it difficult since a single mid boost switch wouldn't do it.  I do like the concept of the tone switches as implemented on Zon's Sonus Studio, though.

[mica]

The quick tone change switches are independent of the filter and offer +6dB / flat / -6dB. So in the center position, they're invisible The effect of these switches is between the pan/balance and filter. These are found on the Europa, Rogue and originally on the Distillate model.
 
The bass and treble controls (like on and Excel or Orion bass) are asymmetrical, +6dB and -15dB centered around 100Hz and 5KHz.
 
We do not offer a stock midrange switch or knob. As Shim's project is very time-sensitive, it is not an option to so custom electronics.  
 
Bob, you mentioned a couple of frequency reanges that would be useful. Please share these with me as I am compiling a list of what customer's specific requests are in regards to more robust midrange control.

[bsee]

Sure, Mica.  My theories on midrange come from experience with various preamps and variations on their recommended settings.  I find that, especially in live situations, a boost around 200-250 Hz with the right shape does wonders for fingerstyle punch coming through.  I use that for Motown and Blues type stuff and I prefer the tone it creates above what I get from boosting deeper bass frequencies.  This may be a matter of practicality since the power and speaker area required to do a solid job with low bass is more than the typical bar-band gigger carries.
 
The other range I find useful for more jazzy clarity is the area around 750-850 Hz.  I use this a lot less since I don't focus on that musical style as much.
 
The third midrange setting that might be useful to a slapper is the auto-smiley-face-creator.  I don't do that, so I couldn't say what it should look like.
 
I would like to have had a midrange control in my custom.  I would have liked an internal pot to dial in the frequency and either a three way switch or a cut/boost knob to set the gain.  If it were hard-configured, I would go for (flat/+6 @ 250/+6 @ 750) in a three-way toggle.  I never cut mids in my style of play.
 
As a general mod, a quick tone switch tied to an internal frequency-setting pot would be the most flexible.  That way, Rogue electronics would just have two identical switches with the frequencies pre-set appropriately.  The owner would then be able to set those two switches however they please.
 
Thanks, Mica!

[shim]

SO, Mica, the mid-positioned knob is invisible in sound, too?? or changes the sound??

[bsee]

What she was saying is that the bass/treble controls are invisible when they are set to the flat position.  This is true of the actual bass and treble knobs on the Epic/Orion models and the quick tone change switches found on Europa and Rogue models.
 
There is no current mid knob.  If they do make a mid control, it will almost certainly have an invisible setting, though.
 
-Bob

[shim]

Sorry, I'm poor at English, so you might misunderstand.
 
Bob... what I mean is the bass and treble controls (like on and Excel or Orion bass) could set for natural sound(invisable EQ effect) or not. And how can I know the natural sound of my bass without effecting of high and bass control.
This is not about the toggle witches, but bass and treble knob.
Can you understand?

[bsee]

Is there not a center point for the bass and treble knobs?  That would be the flat position.

[shim]

But, Mica said... The bass and treble controls (like on and Excel or Orion bass) are asymmetrical, +6dB and -15dB centered around 100Hz and 5KHz.  
 
So, I think the center of the knobs might be not flat, 0 dB, because they are asymmetrical.  
 
How do you think about this?

[bsee]

Not what she meant.  Here's what she was saying in more detail.
 
The bass control works on a range of frequencies centered at 100 Hz.  The center position is no gain.  As you turn the knob clockwise from center, the gain rises from 0 to +6dB.  As you turn the knob counter-clockwise from center, the gain (cut) decreases from 0 to -15dB.  
 
The treble control works on a range of frequencies centered at 5000 Hz.  The center position is no gain.  As you turn the knob clockwise from center, the gain increases from 0 to +6dB.  As you turn the knob counter-clockwise from center, the gain (cut) decreases from 0 to -15dB.  
 
The asymmetrical gain is because a small amount of boost can be very powerful, and excessive gain boost generates noise.  This is especially true with low-powered onboard electronics.  Allowing more than +6dB of gain would be an invitation to bad tone.  On the other hand, you can cut all you want without damaging the integrity of the signal.  The -15dB cut is perfectly useful for tone shaping.

[shim]

Thanx for your kind explaiation for me.  
So, I decide about my electronics. I will ask installing the treble ans bass control knobs to Mica. ( not toggles~!!! )
 
Thanx your help, bsee. Your kind explaination was very helpful in my decision.