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olieoliver

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« Reply #15 on: February 01, 2007, 11:45:43 AM »
Very good advice Kevin.

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« Reply #16 on: February 01, 2007, 01:26:17 PM »
it has aged very well. very red...plus the cherry body makes the contrast even more distinct.

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« Reply #17 on: February 01, 2007, 09:08:30 PM »
Paul, it wasn't my intention to scare you out of your plan.  The plan you have for your custom sounds like a great plan that would produce a wonderful and awesome bass.
 
In my opinion, the Alembic low-pass filter and Q setup is FAR more flexible and versatile than bass & treble controls.  IF you had to choose between them, the filter/Q setup is far superior.
 
My point was that you DON'T need to choose; it's not either/or (unless you want it to be)... you can have BOTH.
 
There are several Alembic basses that have BOTH the filter/Q AND e.q. controls.  First of all, the Distillate, Europa, and Rogue all have a single low-pass filter with a Q switch AND 3-position boost/flat/cut switches for the bass and treble.
 
Several club members have customs that take it further and have variable knobs augmenting the filter/Q setup.  Check out the Custom Archives.  Understated Elegance is a Series II bass that ALSO has individual bass and treble knobs FOR EACH PICKUP; my custom 8 Strings of Power also has individual filters, Q switches, AND bass & treble knobs for each pickup.  The East Meets West bass has bass & treble knobs supplementing the single filter & Q switch; and if you look up Rory's Custom Bass in FTC, you see that it has Anniversery electronics (individual filters & Qs) PLUS individual bass & treble controls.  Also, you can see Shim's custom bass is getting a master set of bass & treble knobs to supplement the individual filters & Q switches.
 
My experience is that I love both options.  I want BOTH the filter/Q controls AND bass & treble controls... and want both types on my Alembics.  I really enjoy and use the tremendous versatility that my bass offers by having both sets of controls, and I would never consider an Alembic with either/or.  But that's me.
 
My point is, if you can afford a Series II, an extra couple hundred for the bass & treble toggles or knobs is a drop in the bucket.  If this is your dream bass, and you have a concern about it, it wouldn't cost much more to add 1 or 2 sets of toggles or knobs, and they can do it -they've done it before, for me, and several other club members.  If you want bass & treble controls, why not get 'em?
 
As far as the ebony goes, again, I didn't mean to scare you.  I'm a big proponent of Ebony in the neck.  It's indescribably awesome.  But it is also expensive and heavy... and the Series electronics are also notoriously heavy.  You should be aware of this in making your decision.
 
Mica told me that they currently recommend just 1 or 2 (Ebony) laminates in general, and that just one or two will provide virtually as much of the effect as a full complement (every other laminate).  My understanding is that each Ebony laminate adds about a pound to the weight.  Maybe this wouldn't matter to you; or maybe it would.  Only you can say.
 
There's nothing wrong with your plan.  It's a neck recipe that would be very beautiful and functional.  My point was just to offer you an idea to consider -which means you might like or not like it.  Again, only you can say.
 
If it were me, I'd lose one of the Ebony laminates, and put that money towards a set of bass & treble controls.  My understanding is that it's $400 retail extra for ONE set of toggles and $500 extra for ONE set of knobs.  So you could switch the center lam to Vermillion and get a set of bass & treble controls for about the same amount as your plan, which would give you a lighter bass, with the significant added flexibility of the bass & treble controls and a more colorful neck with virtually the same amount of Ebony oomph as with 3 laminates; my understanding is that 2 would be virtually the same as three.  This is what I would do.
 
But you are not me, and, as others have said, you should get YOUR dream, and what's right for you -which is not necessarily what is right for me.  Only you can say.  And don't take my word for it, discuss these points with the experts, Susan and Mica if you have concerns, and/or want clarification/verification of these points.
 
Don't let me or anyone else scare you out of what you want.  Get what is right for you.  The purpose of my post was to respond to your ideas, and to give you food for thought.  I thought it was worth mentioning that you might consider the bass & treble controls, and that you might consider switching one of your Ebony lams to Vermillion to spice up the color, lighten up the bass, and use the money saved to add the additional flexibility of bass & treble controls for about the same amount of money.
 
If this sounds appealing to YOU, then you might consider or do it; but it's not like there's anything wrong with your plan.  More than 99% percent of the Series basses out there DON'T have bass & treble controls... and I've never heard a Series owner complain about the lack of e.q. controls.  But there's a simple solution if you want a Series bass that ALSO has these controls... order it!
 
I look forward to seeing your bass in FTC.  It's going to be REALLY awesome -with or without bass & treble controls and/or Vermillion in place of a 3rd Ebony laminate!

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« Reply #19 on: February 02, 2007, 04:20:02 AM »
That's a heck of alot of knobs to twiddle keavin!
 
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« Reply #20 on: February 02, 2007, 06:12:10 AM »
Wow! That thing's like a double EMW with CVQ's and SC-1's thrown in! East-Meets-West-Meets-Series II? LOL! And I thought the EMW was a handful to twiddle! Makes my stock Series I look (control-wise) like a J-bass in comparison.
 
Good Luck on your custom, Pete. I'm sure it'll be awesome and exactly what you're looking for, and then some.
 
Cheers,
 
Kevin

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« Reply #21 on: February 02, 2007, 07:11:06 AM »
Well I guess I will also contribute my nickel's worth of free advice.  My main bass prior to Alembic was a Sadowsky w/ bass and treble controls.  Upon receiving my SII I really thought I would miss those controls.  I even posted on the Dreaming for Now section stating that if I could do it all again I would have included bass and treble controls.    Well, several years have gone by and I now I have an oportunity to order a SI.  I thought about the bass and treble again and realized I have not needed them at all.  Once you get used to the Series electronics you find you have all you need.

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« Reply #22 on: February 02, 2007, 07:02:40 PM »
Keavin, thank's a bunch for posting the pictures!  I'm pretty sure I'd seen your's before, but I didn't remember where!  (It's awesome, but that goes without saying!)
 
It all comes down to what you like/want/need.
 
IMO, if one HAD TO CHOOSE between a filter and a Q vs bass and trebles... it's no contest.  The filter/Q setup is MUCH more versatile.
 
And the SERIES electronics are in a class by itself... you have to play/hear/experience 'em to have a perspective.  What the filter/Q setup offers period, and then even more so with the STEREO (let's not forget that) is SO MUCH MORE than mere eq controls that, if one chooses Series electronics OVER bass & treble controls, they'll be too happy with what they've got for it occur to them to be bummed with what they don't have... in most cases.
 
But the fact of the matter is, it's great to have BOTH types of controls.  I absolutely LOVE my eq controls.  I have individual controls for each pickup.  Each of my pickups has SIX tone controls... THREE eq controls (bass & treble KNOBS, and a mid-range toggle), and three filter/Q controls ( a filter, on/off for the Q, and a 4/8/12 db selector for the Q) and ALL of these controls are HIGHLY USEFUL.  The bass control knobs are the most useful; I use the bass boost IN ADDITION to the filters/Qs all the time.  Then I use the mid-boost for the bridge pickup next most frequently, and then the mid-cut for the neck pickup and various cut/boost options for the treble controls for both pickups next.  I use all these options, and I love it.  My bass is unsurpassed in tonal flexibility.
 
For me, I want both filter and eq controls.  I love both, and insist on both.  The ideal is to have individual filters with variable Qs for each pickup, and also individual bass, mid, and treble controls for each pickup.  Nothing tops this -other than a built-in superfilter, which they don't do anymore.
 
But not everyone insists on this degree of versatility.  Only you can say what you need.
 
If you want eq controls, get 'em... they don't add THAT much to the price... and then they'll always be there when you want them.  I LOVE mine!!!

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« Reply #23 on: February 03, 2007, 02:57:34 AM »
oops
 
(Message edited by joram on February 03, 2007)

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« Reply #24 on: February 03, 2007, 02:58:47 AM »
Well, this isn't quite Keavin's. It's Yahya's Big Bass

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« Reply #25 on: February 09, 2007, 01:56:24 PM »
Hi all friends,
 
Thank you all for your great concern and comments. I think I was very sensitive when Mark first commented on my Bass specs as I have put very much time into the design but at the same time now that I have the money and was able to put the order in I am very busy and haven't been able to zero in on the very finest points.
 
So many things have happened in the last few months from spending alot of time in the LA courts to my Mom becoming ill, and now my wife and I have been blessed with the opportunity of our life by getting a store in the Hilo Farmer's Market. So we have been working day and night to get this store opened all while watching my 3 year old son.
 
To get to the point, Mark I am not upset at you at all. At first when you commented about my bass I was very tired and after putting so much time into the design I was offended but I know that you only meant well. In fact you have me thinking very much about adding bass and treble pots.
 
But after all of the great comments above from Olie, Jacko, Keavin, DADA, Adriann, jseitang, bassjigga, and Joram, etc., I have made my decision to leave well enough alone as I can see how the controls that are on the bass will give me (myself) enough variation. I would love to have them but am going to hold off.
 
But thank you very much for your constructive advice. I also was very sure about my three ebony strips as I had already changed twice to finally get to that decision.
 
Nonetheless, all good advice and thanks again everyone.
 
Now I just want to contact admins and see if my rig has a space in the busy scheduling as I am very excited to get it rolling.
 
Aloha to All, Paul da Plumma

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« Reply #26 on: February 09, 2007, 09:10:41 PM »
Hey Paul, all I want is for you to be as happy as possible and get you dream bass like you want it!  More power to you, and I look forward to seeing it!
 
Haven't seen Alembic do a Koa bass in quite some time... I'll be interested in that aspect of it, in particular!

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« Reply #27 on: February 09, 2007, 09:48:42 PM »
Just one comment to throw out here...
 
I think the Bass/Treble controls are probably more versatile than the filter setup.  There just have to be more settings to be had with two knobs to tweak rather than just one.
 
I suspect that there are two reasons why many of us prefer the filter configuration.  One is that it is relatively easy to find a tone color with a single knob.  Brighter clockwise, fatter counter-clockwise.  It's that simple.  The other is that the filter setup is more musical.  Every possible setting sounds great.
 
Personally, I wouldn't build an Alembic without the filter config as the core tone control.  
 
Best of luck with your new instrument!

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« Reply #28 on: February 11, 2007, 02:17:15 AM »
OK bsee,
 
Thanks for your comment. I just have a question for you then. Of course I am going to have the filter config as it is a Series II.  
 
But what is your opinion, would you also add the bass/treble knobs on top of them like some are saying so that you have more control right on your rig? And would you just have a master bass and a master treble knob controling the exiting signal out of the bass or would you have a bass and treble knob for each pick-up?
 
Realizing that some said its more knobs on the bass, I still wonder if I would like that option like Mark says? I'm still gathering opinions.
 
Thanks, Paul

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« Reply #29 on: February 11, 2007, 10:48:36 AM »
If cost and time are not considerations, and you don't mind having lots of controls on top of your bass, and you tend to make lots of tone changes on stage, then add the bass and treble knobs for each pickup; that will give you the most versatility.