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edmouk

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« on: September 25, 2007, 08:49:53 AM »
Hi there
 
I'm about to purchase an activator kit for my Warmoth Jazzbass but I don't know yet what option to chose : Alembic JB pickups + filter or Alembic JB pickups + treble & bass controls ? What give the best results ?
Thanks for your help !

811952

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« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2007, 10:59:41 AM »
My inclination would be to go with the filter and Q-switch.  It's a very flexible setup.
 
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« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2007, 11:58:51 AM »
To compare the results of the two systems on the basis of which is best is not really possible - each is simply different compared to the other, both in operation as well as net results. Functionally, the bass/treble control setup (as typically found on the Epic and Orion, for example) operates in much the same way as the similarly named controls found on Bass amps with active tone controls. In the Activator's case, the Bass control offers +6db/-15db @100hz, and the Treble control offers +6db/-15db @5Khz. In contrast, the Filter setup (particularly in combination with a Q-switch) was originally conceived as a simple but very effective way to emulate the signature tonalities associated with most Classic pickup designs - such as a P-Bass, J-Bass, Rick-Bass, various Gibson Basses, etc. - or to simply let the FULL frequency response of the string's vibration come through without any coloration at all...a trait virtually unique to Alembic pickups. Functionally, the Filter control is a variable low-pass device, introducing a 12db/octave roll-off at a point beginning anywhere from 350hz to 6Kz, depending on the setting position. Additionally, an 8db BOOST (a resonant peak) is introduced at the frequency just before the point of roll-off, and moves along with the roll-off point as the filter setting is changed. Adding a Q-Switch to the control setup (a $50 option) allows the 8db boost function to be shut OFF...otherwise, it's always on. In actual use, the Filter setup really CAN emulate the sound of the instruments mentioned above, if that's a feature that would be considered useful. But to say that one set-up is better than the other is simply not possible - it's just too subjective. For that matter, a number of Custom-ordered Alembic instruments feature BOTH systems...known these days as the East Meets West set-up!

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« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2007, 01:10:12 PM »
I find the Alembic filters to offer a very unique sound, or perhaps sounds is more accurate. Personally, I don't like having a regular onboard preamp - I would much rather use an outboard preamp at the end of my signal chain, so my vote would be for the filter setup.

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« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2007, 01:29:22 PM »
My vote would be for the filters + Q.  
 
The treble bass settings can be tweaked on an amp or preamp, but the filter and Q is unique.
 
If you've got the cash to get both, get both, but if I were choosing just one it would be filter + Q.

edmouk

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« Reply #5 on: September 25, 2007, 02:07:26 PM »
So if I should chose the filter + Q switch option, I might get closer to the kind of  sound I get with my Series I (even though I know it can't be exactly the same tones!) than with the treble/bass preamp. But would it provide a good balance between bass and treble ?  
 
Thank you very much everyone.  
(here's a pix of my Warmoth Id'wish to upgrade) :
 
 

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« Reply #6 on: September 25, 2007, 03:35:08 PM »
Do you have room in the cavity to drill another hole and add another control? I'd vote for EMW which gives you the best of both worlds. I have it on my fretless Orion and like it a lot.  
 
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« Reply #7 on: September 25, 2007, 09:15:47 PM »
As Toby and Keith said, if at all possible, it's best to get both, and have the best of both worlds.  My two custom Alembics both have both bass & treble controls AND filters with variable Qs... and the flexibility from having both (kinds/sets of) controls is more than the sum of its parts, far more flexible than either system alone.
 
That said, I'd lean towards the filter & Q setup over the bass & treble controls -if it were an either/or proposition.  That would also certainly be closer to the sound of a Series (with similar -but superior controls).
 
Good luck with it.

 
Pretty bass, by the way.

edmouk

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« Reply #8 on: September 26, 2007, 02:59:22 AM »
I'm afraid there's no room enough in the cavity for another hole for another control. So I guess I'll go for the filter but without the Q switch as I always leave it on on my Series I (I like bright sound on a bass).  
Unless I can install one dual bass/treble pot, but I don't think they produce that kind of item at Alembic's.
 
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« Reply #9 on: September 26, 2007, 06:00:58 AM »
That's a lovely bass, by the way...
 
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« Reply #10 on: September 26, 2007, 08:21:07 AM »
I put P/J + bass/treble controls in my old 83 Squier over ten years ago and compared to my MK the tones between the two electronic packages are worlds apart but they are a 1000% better than any passive system without a doubt.
My son now has 'inherited' by Squier and the style of music he plays(Funeral for a Friend, Battles et al) suits that control configuration.
The filter/Q's are indeed so versatile that it is difficult to describe by words and really has to be heard.
Hard choice but everyone is saying go for the filter & Q.

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« Reply #11 on: October 04, 2007, 11:53:38 AM »
Filter and 3-way Q switch.

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« Reply #12 on: October 05, 2007, 04:40:40 AM »
I'm confused.  But again that's fairly easy to do at my age.
 
Why would you need another hole for a Q-Switch?  You have 4 holes now.  One could be used for each: Volume, Pickup Pan, Filter, Q-Switch.
 
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« Reply #13 on: October 05, 2007, 05:05:58 AM »
Dean, the suggestion was for the East Meets West package (see Featured Custom section) with both filter+Q and bass+treble pots, so six holes required.
 
(Message edited by adriaan on October 05, 2007)

terryc

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« Reply #14 on: October 05, 2007, 06:58:30 AM »
Lot of tone variation with EMW, is there a thread on how this works are they independent circuits which are switchable or combined and if combined how does the the brillant low pass filter and Q switches work with the bass & treble controls?? Would really like to know