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« Reply #45 on: September 24, 2007, 02:12:42 AM »
The biggest problem I have at gigs relates to very 'boomy' rooms so adding a sub wouldn't help at all. For example, yesterday I found I was using my Apex Bass exciter to 'dial out' the really low end to try to control the boom.
 
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« Reply #46 on: September 24, 2007, 04:16:43 AM »
Rami, how do you rate the Eden 1x12s as compared to the Aguilar GS112s (whichI have). Do you have any comments on the difference in tone(assuming you've tried the Aguilars of course)?

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« Reply #47 on: September 24, 2007, 04:38:28 AM »
oops double post
 
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« Reply #48 on: September 24, 2007, 04:38:53 AM »
Watch those Edens Shaun. They weigh a fair bit which wouldn't do your back any good. Your best bet would be EBS or Markbass Neo cabinets.
 
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« Reply #49 on: September 24, 2007, 09:36:27 AM »
You are right Pierre I was thinking about an addition to my setup but as Jacko points out it wouldn't really add much to the higher frequencies. I'm getting influenced by Stanleys 2 big bens for his bass rig. But then he has a roadie too lol.  
 
Then maybe I should be looking for a full range cab as I already have a 1x15 and a 2x10 so I'll stay passive on this thread and read and learn... :-)
 
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« Reply #50 on: September 24, 2007, 12:29:08 PM »
Pierre-Yves said; somatic, what is your preference ?
EV, Yamaha, other ?
Markbass is to expensive for me...
Maybe I will mix PA & bass cabs ?
Thank's for your post ... I LOVE Australia...
 
It's hard for me to give recommendations as I don't know what you have to select from locally, and I usually buy speakers secondhand, and then measure and modify them to suit my needs. I've got the gear and experience to do it.
 
General recomendations are JBL and Yamaha, especially 3 way units. Yorkville PA can be very good too.
 
There are a number of great manufacturers of speaker drive units in EU, like 18Sound, Ciare, Beyma, BMS/Coda, RCF, PHL and Precision Devices amongst others. I've used drivers from all these brands and many exceed my reference standards which have traditionally been JBL, and are usually cheaper. Someone in EU must be manufacturing with these drivers; perhaps checking Pro sound forums more local would produce some leads.
The thread I've linked at the bottom should give an indication about what I'm suggesting to try.
 
jazzyvee said; I have seen a dual; 18 800w EV cab for sale and was wondering if that would be a good addition to my rig or would the bottom end be overpowering? It looks like a PA sub cabinet.
 
Depends how you do it. Active crossover and biamp it and it'd likely add a sensible amount of low end, whilst taking the load off whatever you use above it. Small speakers excursing a lot to produce low frequecies create more distortion. The enclosure you mention is most likely a PA sub as I've never heard of a 2x18 bass enclosure.
 
Aslo, the PA manufacturers give far more accurate specs than the bass cab manufacturers (Acme is a notable exception), mainly because they need to provide arctitctural specs that need to be accurate and repeatable, and PA guys often have good measuring gear, so the manufacturers will get called on an BS specs they produce.
 
IME, musos tend to be a bit tribal with gear so they'll beleive anything a favoured manufacturer says, and few havw any sort of technical understanding at all. This I know from long experience as I've fixed a lot of gear and heard the bizarre ideas given about what the faults are.
 
For those in the US, this thread might prove interesting if you haven't already seen it. It's long, but read the first couple of pages for basic info, and the last couple for gigging experience and reviews. If they were available locally, I'd snatch up a couple myself.
http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?t=336504

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« Reply #51 on: September 24, 2007, 12:42:51 PM »
Apologies for the spelling; I shouldn't type in the dark.

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« Reply #52 on: September 24, 2007, 01:47:39 PM »
Thanx for your information...Carvin LS1523 is THE system I need, in my mind ... but I cannot read 44 pages from talkbass, my first language is french ...
I wrote to the swiss retailer, german is mad of expensive ...

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« Reply #53 on: September 25, 2007, 02:45:26 AM »
Hi Graeme
I know the Eden cabs are generally heavy (the 4x10 etc, forget it....even the 210XLT is beyond my comfort zone now), but thought the single 1x12s might not be too bad (my Aguilars are around 40lb each and are fine). I've considered the Markbass cabs but haven't been impressed with the sound of them, although I'm aware that they are supposed to sound their best in a gig setting and I've only tried them in a shop. Haven't tried the EBS neo stuff yet, although I did play my Sei bass through an EBS rig when I bought it and I loved the sound. Unfortunately having bought the Sei bass I can't afford the rig at the moment!

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« Reply #54 on: September 25, 2007, 02:55:36 AM »
Eden & EBS are more than double price in Europe than Carvin 3 way system, 800 W @ 4 ohms.

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« Reply #55 on: September 25, 2007, 05:58:57 AM »
Pierreyves, I unfortunately need fairly small, portable cabs, hence the 1x12s....I agree that Eden & EBS are expensive in Europe though. But hey, so are Alembics...

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« Reply #56 on: September 26, 2007, 08:29:43 AM »
So here's a query for all the Alembi-philes...
 
As anyone can see from the pic I posted on another thread, I am seriously lacking in the amp department, and while an old P-Bass is definitively NOT my '81 S1, it is a nice bass. I am considering this little doodad from Mesa (I have always used Mesa for my guitar work) called a Venture 600. These days a combo would suffice for the gigs I do.
 
Has anyone played one of these and what are your thoughts?
 
Regards...
Steve

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« Reply #57 on: October 27, 2007, 05:19:18 PM »
finally, I had an opportunity, GREAT opportunity: I found on the web SWR Triad & Goliath senior to sale, only ten hours of use, like new .... for ....:
1300$ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Incidentally and by the same way and the same seller, I paid only 430$ for a SWR Mo Bass !!! It will for my son birthday!!  
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« Reply #58 on: October 28, 2007, 08:54:20 AM »
Steve, Looks like that is the M-Pulse 600 head dropped into a 2x12 cab.  I have played and heard some Boogie, but not that one.  People rave about the tone of the Walkabout heads, but I haven't heard much about the M-Pulse.  I do love the format of a 2x12 cab with decent power.
 
I see that the combo comes with either 4 ohm internal impedance for max power by itself, or as an 8 ohm combo to take an 8 ohm extension speaker when you need to get loud.  I would go for the stock 4 ohms and piggyback off the PA if you need more front-of-house sound.
 
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« Reply #59 on: October 28, 2007, 08:01:43 PM »
Pierre,
I have an SWR SM-400 amp which I play through an SWR Goliath 4x10, and an SWR Big Ben 18 both full range, amp bridged to 400 watts. Just recently, I purchased an AccuGroove El Whappo cabinet which is a hi-fi sound 4 way cabinet rated at 800 watts at 4 ohms (35 Hz~18kHz. 29 Hz @ -6db). This cabinet sounds infinitely better than the SWR cabs IMO. The SM-400 did not have enough power to run it to it's rating of 800 watts, so I picked up an SWR SM-900 amp, which is a better fit. I honestly can say I have not had a better rig for sound and power. Of course there are many different set ups for us all with many different tastes. Yet, the AccuGroove cab can replace 2 or more cabs just by itself. It has a 15 woofer, a 12 mid-range woofer, a 6 hi-mid woofer, and 2 soft dome ferro-fluid tweeters. It never sounds harsh, sounds just like studio monitors in the recording studio, and is inherently transparent so that any preamp or guitar tone tweeking really shines through - just like an Alembic should sound. Yes, it's pricey. Yes it's heavy (It has casters). But one cab replaces alot more weight, 2 trips in and out of the gig, and close to the same price when considering all things: 2 cabs, 2 covers, 2 cords etc.. There is no question in my mind that this cabinet can get ANY sound you want. Ask any Hi-fi person what is the most important component in the sound chain, and he will say good speakers. A crappy amp will sound great with a quality speaker cab, but not the other way around. If you can afford it, the best thing you can do for your sound is get the best speaker cabinet you can. Let your ears be the judge.
Kris