Choice on loudspeakers ?

[pierreyves]

Hello,
with my Alembic F1-X preamp and Yamaha P 5000S poweramp, I hesitate between two system:
 
1/ SWR Goliath III + SWR Triad
http://www.thomann.de/fr/swr_goliath_iii_4_10.htm
http://www.thomann.de/fr/swr_triad_ebassbox.htm
with the Triad power is limitate to 400W.
 
2/ Loudspeakers of soundstem like EV, Yamaha or Peavey:
http://www.thomann.de/fr/ev_eliminator_de.htm
 
I know that both system are used, I used personally and actually one Gallien Krueger 4X10 + one Peavey soundsystem 1X15 + horn.
 
Not here to speak about price or weight.
 
Your opinion and experience ?
Thanx.
;o)

[rami]

Hi Pierre-Yves,
 
When I shop for speakers, I shop EDEN exclusively.  The 410XLT or 410XST are simply the best I've ever heard.
 
Rami

[pierreyves]

Thanx Rami, anybody else ?

[keith_h]

Hello Pierre-Yves,
There have been several threads talking about speaker cabinets used by club members. If you search on speakers and opinion or rig you should see several recent threads on the subject.  
 
What most of the threads show is we forum members use just about every brand and model of speaker that is available. Each of us purchased the speakers based on the sound we want to hear. I use Bag End 18's and 2x10's for my main stage rig. Others use Eden, EBS, Bergantino, Epiphany, Schoeder, Acme, etc. As far as speaker sizes it is the same. There are people using 10, 12, 15 and 18 speakers in different combinations to get the sound they are looking for.
 
 
Keith

[glocke]

I use bag end 15's.  SB10 and SBD10.  They sound very crisp and well defined.
 
If youve got loads of cash, and do like the sound of 2 15's check out the hardtruckers bass cab.
 
www.hardtruckers.com

[pierreyves]

Ok, thanks. I will precise my question and my doubt on choice:
I hesitate between soundsystem speakers (sono)and standard bass speaker cabinets.

[bsee]

It probably depends on what your situation is.  If I were in a rock band looking for a live bas sound, I'd stick with bass cabinets.  The PA cabinets work fine for some types of music or for multiple-duty use.  After all, it is not uncommon for a live rig to consist of a preamp feeding the mixing board and all the sound projecting through the PA system.
 
Also, you can get bass speaker cabs that have a voice to add to the color of your tone.  PA speakers should be much more neutral.

[pierreyves]

PA cabinets should be more neutral ?
Ok it's interresting for me. My project is a Stanley Clarke tribute, I need to have the more proximal sound, but I have doubt on SWR Goliath III speakers.
In the 80's I had PA EV speakers but It was to loud, to much weight...
My preamp will not feed the mixing board, but my own PA system: Yamaha P 5000 S and two cabinets 2X15 + horn.

[keith_h]

Yes PA cabinets should be more neutral in their effect on the sound. PA speakers are designed to reproduce a wide range of instruments and vocals so they will attempt to keep a flat response across the frequency range. Bass speakers on the other hand are generally designed for reproducing bass guitars. The manufacturer will voice these cabinets to create a unique sound. Some are designed for a flat response others try to emphasize the low mid frequencies and so on. This is why one 2x10 cabinet will sound different in tone when compared to another company's 2x10 cabinet.  
 
If you are trying to reproduce Stanley's tone then you need to look at running the neck pickup into  an F1X and two 18 speakers. The bridge pickup would then go to an F1X and two 4X10 cabinets. He also feeds the bridge pickup into a 2x12 Fender Twin or Marshall combo amp. I believe he is currently using SWR cabinets however he has used other brands in the past. I also think the 2x12 combo has a big effect on his live tone when run into the FOH. It gives him that gritty tube overdrive that can be mixed over the cleaner tone of the F1X.  
 
So to answer you question I think you should be looking at bass speaker cabinets if you are trying to reproduce Stanley's live sound.  
 
Keith

[pierreyves]

Keith, many thank's for the time passed on your good answer! I have, for the gritty sound, a Roland Jazz Chorus 160. I dont' have a series I but a Signature, I don't configure exactly like Stanley but, my actually sound is really near of him.

[worldfamousandy]

My F-1X/QSC PLX 2402/Schroeder UL410 sounds great at any volume, and it's not too bad to move, either.  It's the nicest rig I have ever had, and I have never heard a rig that I thought sounded better.
 
Andy Calder
www.andycalderbass.com

[jazzyvee]

My F-1X/SF-2/QSC PLX 2402/ Mesa boogie Powerhouse 2x10 and Mesa Boogie Powerhouse 1x15 and I'm very  happy with it's sound it is very Hi-Fi and has power and clarity.Like you I use the signature bass and it is very easy to get close to stanley sound.
 
I would like to try an 18 Cab and also a 4x10 to see what the difference in sound is. But that's for a later day.  Maybe when I get back on the road I can ask for something like that and h ear what it sounds like.
 
Jazzyvee
I also tried running my F-1X high out into my fender twin it brightened the sound up but it would be too much equipment for me to carry to a gig.
 
Jazzyvee

[pierreyves]

Thanx Jazzyvee !
You don't have a lot of roadies for you ?

[rami]

I realize that this may be beside the point, but I recently purchased a pair of EDEN D112XLT cabinets.  It makes for a mini stack that can handle 500 watts RMS.  The sound is just spectacular.  Also very portable.
 
I've always thought of EDEN as the Alembic of Bass amplification; a small company that LISTENS to what Bass players want and makes everything by hand to highest quality.
 
Like Alembic, one try made me a believer for life.

[pierreyves]

I was looking too for Eden 410  ... just a little expensive ... ;o)