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ajdover

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« Reply #15 on: April 04, 2005, 03:28:16 AM »
I've noted a bunch of trends in this thread.  First, there's the some folks just don't get it,, then there's the they didn't try the right one, then ... you get the picture.  All are on the mark, IMHO.
 
Most of you know I own 15 (yikes!) basses of various makes, to include three Alembics (my prized possessions, BTW).  They run the gamut from a '73 Jazz to my Dragon's Wing.  I've been fortunate and lucky enough to be able to acquire and play these instruments.  I also follow a bunch of sites and monitor what vintage instruments are going for.
 
The bottom line is that something is only worth that which someone is willing to pay.  For some, that $800 Fender is worth every penny given the music they're playing.  For others, only a custom made Alembic will do, and they're willing to pay the price, price increases be damned.
 
For me, I've not played a finer instrument than an Alembic.  Period.  I have three Gibsons, three Fenders, a Pedulla, a Rick, a Musicman, a Peavey, a Godin, and an Ovation.  Some are new, some are not.  None of them come close in quality and performance.  Don't get me wrong - they all have qualities I like (particularly the Rick - even my Alembics can't come close to sounding like it).  But they can't hold a candle in terms of quality, attention to detail, variety of tones, and most of all, that personal touch you just can't buy anywhere else (unless it's a custom builder, which is basically what Alembics are all about).
 
Rich mentioned he never liked the looks of Fender headstocks.  I've never liked the omegas on certain Alembics.  However, that didn't keep me from trying and eventually buying three of them.  I guess, as Rich notes, one needs to keep an open mind and try a bunch of different instruments.  You never know what you'll find.
 
Foderas are fine instruments.  Fenders are too (well, given what they used to be like in the 70's and 80's, their new instrments are better - I just bought a Jazz Bass Deluxe in Korea, and it's head and shoulders above stuff from the 70's quality wise).  It just depends what one likes and can afford.
 
All this being said, I'll never sell my Alembics.  To me they epitomize excellence in stringed instrument (bass guitar) construction, playability, versatility, and tonality.  On that, I think there are a lot of people here would agree.
 
Alan
 
P.S.  Danno - you can't sell that Ripper!  It's our link! ;-)  Mine's currently undergoing a complete refinish by Jim Warwick of Jim Warwick Guitars, in Vienna VA.  Should have it soon.  BTW, if you ever need anything done on your guitars, give Jim a call.  His work is akin to the quality found in alembics.  If you want his website address, email me.  I had him refret both my Musicman and my '73 Jazz, and his work was flawless.
 
 
 
 
 

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« Reply #16 on: April 04, 2005, 06:08:58 AM »
Hello everyone,
 
i haven't posted here in maybe a year, but i have to say something.  Those who think that the Alembic's are not all that don't know what they are talking about.  Yes, Fender and the rest of them have played a major part in shaping music as we all know it.  But if their sound was all i had to get excited about, i think the bass music world would have been very dark and dull.  Nothing wrong with the Fender philosophy, but why keep remaking fender clones and call it superior?  There's more to making a real bass than just slapping on thin metal hardware and high impedance humbucking pickups that dirty up and taint the sound on a pretty piece of wood.  What bassists and other people don't understand is that Alembic is all about bass sound perfection.  If you listen to the phenominal bassists of our time, you will find that they all have had a series bass in their arsenal at one time or another- there's a reason for that.  Back in the 70's when bass ruled, what bass do you think had the most sought after bass sound?  Fender clones?? i don't think so.  That classic Alembic series bass sound had set the platform that all other basses today strive for, and still cannot match or exceed today.  Even the lesser alembic models can't fully compete with a series bass.  You don't even have to get a new Alembic to prove this.  Get a 70's series bass, and it's sound will still be at the top of the heap even today.  The Alembic series bass is legendary, a classic that has re-shaped bass in ways many people to this day don't realize or understand.
 
Just my opinion- hope i didn't offend anyone.

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« Reply #17 on: April 04, 2005, 12:43:03 PM »
BRAVO!!

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« Reply #18 on: April 04, 2005, 02:05:12 PM »
Hifi
 
I have to agree with everything you just stated and being the owner of several Alembics I have to state for the record the Series bass is on another planet. I took my 77 Series I out along with my other Alembics to a rehearsal and there is just no comparison. I would recomend to anyone considering a new or used Alembic to get a Series instrument. If I had it all to do over again all my basses would be Series Basses. That being said I think everyone should keep their minds and ears open to all the wonderful basses that are available to us these days!
 
Rory

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« Reply #19 on: April 04, 2005, 03:29:06 PM »
Well, I'm going to disagree to an extent.
 
Randell (Hifibassman) stated:
If their sound [Fender and the rest of them] was all i had to get excited about, i think the bass music world would have been very dark and dull ... If you listen to the phenominal bassists of our time, you will find that they all have had a series bass in their arsenal at one time or another.
 
Now I love the tone I get with my Series bass, and for me there is no substitute.  However, I have to disagree with what Randall said (as I have quoted him above); and here's an example of why:  I love listening to Marcus Miller; he's a great player and I think he has a great tone.  And he's not playing an Alembic.  And speaking of great tone, there's that guy Victor Wooten.  Now Victor may own an Alembic, but the great tone that you hear on his albums, and those of the Flecktones, is not from an Alembic.  There are lots of examples of players with wonderful tone coming from instruments other than Alembic.  To say that they are very dark and dull I think is perhaps just a wee bit of an exaggeration.

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« Reply #20 on: April 04, 2005, 04:58:29 PM »
If you all buy my cd then maybe I can get a Series bass!
Well you and a bunch more people.
Danno

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« Reply #21 on: April 04, 2005, 06:30:40 PM »
Danno
 
Please send me a CD so I can help the cause or at least let me know where to purchase one. Uh, do you take post dated checks? Can I send you a Cashiers check from South Africa in the amount of ten thousand dollars in which after cashing you can take your proceeds and send the balance to my agent in your country which will then forward to me via my Swiss Bank account located in the Caymen Islands. I really need this CD and that is why I am willing to trust you in this matter.
 
Rory
 

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« Reply #22 on: April 04, 2005, 07:29:53 PM »
Rory said...
 
Uh, do you take post dated checks? Can I send you a Cashiers check from South Africa in the amount of ten thousand dollars in which after cashing you can take your proceeds and send the balance to my agent in your country which will then forward to me via my Swiss Bank account located in the Caymen Islands. I really need this CD and that is why I am willing to trust you in this matter.  
 
>>>>
Rory,
I'd be glad to help you out.  Just send me your wire transfer information and I'll take care of the rest.
 
Rob
 
P.S.  Thanks for the smile.

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« Reply #23 on: April 04, 2005, 09:32:02 PM »
no need, virgin, tower, best buy, coconuts, amazon, cdnow, cduniverse, do a search on the web for Doomtree Down Below and you will find it. I'd love to send checks but I have to send one to flax and another to Susan! Can we put a price on our love... apparently we can! 12 grand should cover it!
Danno

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« Reply #24 on: April 05, 2005, 06:24:07 AM »
Danno-
 
The paycheck from your first show of the arena tour should cover that!  Just give it a little time, it's moving in the right direction.
 
-Bob

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« Reply #25 on: April 05, 2005, 07:02:50 AM »
I actually like the Fender sound, there are some types of music that require a fat, dirty, muted fender tone.  Some Fenders are bright or midrangy such as you would find on a Marcus Miller tone. I happen to like the sound of a Jazz bass as well as a precision.  I think a Jazz has one of the thickest, smoothest bass sounds around- but it is very limited. Musicman stingrays and Foderas both have distinctive sound character- sounds great.  So does Ken Smith, and Warwick, which are very close to the build quality of the Alembics.  Overall they are all very pleasing to the ears.  And that is really what it's all about.  I realize not every bassist will share the same views i have about Alembics, and i may have been a little passionate (or inaccurate if you want to call it that) in the post above, but Alembic series basses have blown my mind.  It's like having an extreme Porsche- there's no substitute.  It's just legendary.  I'm sorry, but there is just no bass in the world that can compete with it.  Just looking at that bass tells you that it's something special.  The three pickup configuration setup was designed like that for sonic reasons as well as noise filtering- some don't realize that the middle pickup does more than just filter out hum.  I believe it has to sense some harmonic content (at a lower signal level due to lack of magnet) between the other two pickups, which compliments and enhances the sound in a subtle way that other basses can't quite achieve.
Likewise, there are certain types of music that would not have sounded good or have been possible if it wasn't for the distinction of the series bass.  Stanley Clarke would not be known as well as he is if the series bass didn't exist- his precision techniques could not have been developed and articulated on any other bass so distinctively.  Listen to some of his '80's unpopular recordings- it will absolutely blow your mind the powerful and exotic sounds that come out of the series.  The Who would not have been known to be the loudest band in the world back in the '70s if it wasn't for John Entwistle and his series/spyder bass signature sound.  Go back to Jack Cassidy, Phil Lesh, and the wall of sound days- that was the birthplace of that bass sound.
 
well, i have raved too much on the subject- guess i'll let it go.
 
(Message edited by hifibassman on April 05, 2005)

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« Reply #26 on: April 05, 2005, 12:06:04 PM »
I believe we are talking about value and I think even with the exorbitant amounts of money that can be spent on an instrument, one is still getting a very good value with an Alembic.  An instrument that is overbuilt and created with utmost patience and care is really priceless these days where everything is made like cookies from a tube even more so than 30 years ago.  You can go and blame C.L. Fender for that but it's not his fault.  He was trying to offer something very simple and effective and that he did.
   
Even at Fender in the 1950s if you had a problem with your guitar or amp you could go to the factory and they would fix it for you.  What other companies let you talk to them to make sure an order is placed correctly?  Who?  What other company says Oh yeah, we've never done that before, let's try it?  And you can create something that is totally 'you' in all respects.
   
If you want to know about frustration with current companies, I tried to get Ernie Ball to make me a Sterling fretless with an ebony fingerboard (instead of pau ferro) and a urethane finished back of the neck instead of oil because oil finishes are not very stable.  They wouldn't do it.  Even if I would pay more (which I said I would) they wouldn't do it.  And to top it off it would take 5 months for a very simple instrument.  Most frustrating.
 
However, I cannot forget my roots.  I think the song that got me going was Stevie Wonder's I Was Made to Love Her and that was played on a Precision.  The Fender Bass and the Alembic Bass share a distinction:  they are both the first of their kind.  One was the first production bass guitar on the planet and the other was the first boutique bass guitar on the planet.
   
So it was natural for me to go to Alembic for the boutique modern sound I have been craving and I'm going to get my money's worth.  What is great now about Alembics is that it's not just Series instruments anymore.  There are set necks and numerous elctronics packages to soup up a 'cheap' Alembic.  That is what we call value.  It would be truly amazing if the Alembic I ordered could replace all of my Fenders (seems like a longshot but maybe), then that would prove the value of Alembics in spades.

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« Reply #27 on: April 05, 2005, 09:50:50 PM »
I think the difference between a Fender (today, anyway) and an Alembic is simply this: when you open the case, you say WOW!  I bought a Fender Jazz Bass Deluxe in Korea so I'd have something to use while there.  I bought it because in terms of what was available it was the best I could get.  I didn't marvel at the construction, appearance, etc., when I opened the case.  I just said, OK, here's what I'll use while I'm here.
 
Every Alembic I've purchased elicited a significantly different response.  When I got my first Alembic (a Spoiler-Exploiter, since sold), all I could say was wow.  Then I bought a Spyder.  When I got it, I left it in the case and just looked at it for a few minutes before picking it up and plugging it in.  My Europa?  Same thing. And my Dragon's Wing?  What do you think?
 
Alembic goes beyond mere tone.  It is an experience.  I didn't know that until I bought one.  Now I do.
 
Don't get me wrong - as I've said elsewhere, I love all my basses for different reasons.  But none satisfy all the senses (touch, sound, playability, tones, etc.) like an Alembic does.  While it is true I can't get an Alembic to sound like some basses (classic J Bass, Rick), it does so many things so well, it more than justifies the cost.  
 
Bottom line is a bass is only worth what someone will pay for it.  In my estimation, Alembics are worth every penny and then some.
 
Alan

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« Reply #28 on: April 06, 2005, 05:19:56 AM »
I'm curious at to what a very old series bass would be fetch,for instance serial number (1) im sure some one would be willing probably to pay upwards to $25,clams (thousand)as is, just because it's extremely vintage high-end,ive never had (old#12) appraised, but im assuming around ten-grand,,,and I have turned down eight grand ten yrs ago!  
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« Reply #29 on: April 06, 2005, 06:11:06 AM »
talking about the value of alembic basses-i think, and in my opinion, most bass players out there don't have a clue what an alembic is all about. that's why they sell so cheap on the re-sale market. whay would an epic, which costs almost 4 grand new go for 1 grand used? it's great for us alembicians that we can pick up these instruments used so cheap. i'm trying to figure out why 'vintage' fenders sell for so much. i know i wouldn't pay anyway near what i see them go for. i wouldn't even consider buying a fender after playing an alembic. fenders couldn't hold alembic's jock strop in any area.