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bassjigga

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« on: August 11, 2005, 11:04:57 AM »
What tonal difference have you guys found between the set neck Alembics and the neck throughs? I know they tend to have different electronics packages too, but I'm trying to get a sense for the neck as the only variable here.

lbpesq

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« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2005, 11:31:38 AM »
If I have my info correct, you should expect more sustain from a neck through.  Also, the tone of the instrument is more dependant on the neck lams on a neck through, with the body wings having less effect on the tone.  On a set neck instrument the body woods have more effect on the tone.  
 
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jerico

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« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2005, 05:37:33 PM »
Can anyone compare the sounds of, say, a Tribute and a Further? Are they largely similar, or how do they differ?
Justin

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« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2005, 05:45:49 AM »
For a discussion on construction methods, try this from the FAQ's and Must Reads section:
 
http://alembic.com/club/messages/16271/16387.html?1107733746
 
IMHO, while you lose a little sustain going from a neck-through to a set neck, you gain midrange punch, especially if you use bright woods such as ash and maple.  
 
Ck out the East Meets West Special Of The Month from '03 or my Ke(vin)'s Custom Orion from the Factory To Customer thread for illustrative purposes (see below).
 
http://www.alembic.com/info/fc_emw.html
 
http://alembic.com/club/messages/631/8557.html?1093301442
 
Cheers,
 
Kevin
 
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jerico

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« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2005, 09:43:11 AM »
Hey Kevin - thanks for those links.  Great stuff!
Justin

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« Reply #5 on: August 12, 2005, 12:19:35 PM »
No problem, Justin. Glad I could help.
 
Personally, I wanted that Fender Jazz Bass-esque midrange punch that the set-neck offered. I loved that EMW special, which attempted to do just that, so I copied it and dressed it up a little.  
 
I've played the Tribute, but not the Further. Other than acoutrements and the different shape, I doubt that there's much difference sound-wise and/or playability-wise due to the thru-body neck construction and the identical electronics.
 
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Kevin

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« Reply #6 on: August 12, 2005, 01:04:04 PM »
The Tribute is a set-neck, the Further is a neck-through.
 
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« Reply #7 on: August 12, 2005, 01:40:42 PM »
Wow, you learn something new every day! I even played the damn Tribute and just assumed it was a neck-thru. It has a front and back lam, so I just assumed that a thru-body neck was hiding under there. My bad!

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« Reply #8 on: August 12, 2005, 01:59:30 PM »
The only Alembic neck-thru's I've played are my basses, the only Alembic set neck I've played is my Skylark.....  So it's hard for me to really compare, but the Skylark is very bright (which is more than I can say for it's owner) with its maple top.  The sustain is also extremely good on it.
 
Now, that being said, I will tell you that between my Persuader (neck-thru 4 string w/maple only)and the Spoiler (neck-thru 5 string w/purpleheart lams) there's an obvious gain in sustain on the Spoiler. When the Rogue/Epic custom 5 string gets here I'll tell you if there's any change with maple/walnut pinstripes.....  which is how the set neck of my Skylark is built(although the Rogue/Epic custom is neck-thru)...
 
Also, as with everything, there are lots of other variables to consider in the mix...
 
Hmmmmm....  I guess I'll go wait for the UPS truck now...
 
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lowlife

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« Reply #9 on: August 12, 2005, 02:14:09 PM »
Having owned two neck-throughs (Spoiler, MK) and two set-necks (Excel, Epic) I must agree with Kevin (khm364) in that the major differences are the sustain vs the mid-range punch.  Personally, I prefer the mid-range punch.
 
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« Reply #10 on: August 12, 2005, 02:27:56 PM »
I've played a Tribute but never a Further. I'm having a Further made now, so just curious as to what to expect.  I'd be surprised if there's a ton a difference tone-wise, but I suspect it'll be brighter than the Tribute (sustain issues aside).
 
Now I'm curious about how the Skylark and the Tribute differ tonally...!
 
See what I've started here?!
 
Justin

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« Reply #11 on: August 12, 2005, 05:44:02 PM »
Justin
 
That's a good question.

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« Reply #12 on: August 13, 2005, 07:17:10 PM »
After my years of playing and owning bolts- and neck-thrus, my general observation would be as mentioned above:  I find that the neck-thrus carry more of the fundamental to the pickups, the bolt necks tend to be more of a low mid-range punch.  Plenty bass to work with, but it just lacks that very last step (the fundamental and maybe the first harmonic).  Of course the wrong amp would lose this anyway.
 
Sustain-wise, it's really a wash for me.  Either one on a loud stage will carry as long as you want.  Dead strings will choke sustain a LOT faster than the relative merits of neck attachment.  And, too, it's a difficult apples/apples comparison as virtually all bolt-neck instruments are Fender-headed:  The peghead is parallel to the fingerboard with no down angle, I'm sure string trees don't load the nut the same as a bent peghead.
 
In these days of basses having three-band EQ on board and amps having so much tone-shaping, I'm not sure how much of this matters in a ProTools/Bass Pod world. . . geez I feel like an analog dinosaur, I remember all the amps the Pod models!
 
I prefer neck-thrus for other reasons as well:
 
I like the strings' loading pulling the length of the instrument as the neck, instead of just neck having to fight the pull on it's own.
 
I don't like bolt necks as I do my own setups.  It's a real pain to do bolt-necks if you have to pull the neck, remove the pickguard, etc., especially old-Fender style truss rods, where you've got that X-headed adjuster flush with the end of the neck and NO relief cut out of the body.  At least MMan uses that wheel now. And it just seems prehistoric that the neck bolts are wood screws (no inserts/machine bolts) and I've got to use duct tape/light picks/whatever to shim the neck if I want more down-angle.
 
And I really hate zooming up the neck and sliding into that damn neck block. I love to turn my basses over and see the ski jump at the body joint!
 
J o e y
 
(Message edited by bigredbass on August 13, 2005)

jerico

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« Reply #13 on: August 14, 2005, 03:32:54 AM »
Interesting stuff, Joey.  Thanks. And good point about the wrong amp.  I'm on the slow-road to finding a new one of those too, but I'll have to wait for the guitar to show up first.
Justin

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« Reply #14 on: August 14, 2005, 05:25:53 AM »
Justin,
 
The amp is just as critical to great sound, if not more so. There are plenty of threads on here about guitar amps, so you'll have plenty to read, digest, and ponder while you wait, LOL!
 
Here's one to get you started...it's er, um, on my own latest acquisition:  
 
http://club.alembic.com/Images/449/16159.html?1116011940
 
Enjoy,
 
Kevin